MY rather disjointed review of Batman Forever

[Joker81]

I wish that Tim Burton and Michael Keaton would reunite for a new Batman movie. We don't know what happened to Catwoman after the end of Returns.

Hear Hear, I think theres room for that. Dunno if theres a market. But a Batman  sequel to Batman Returns were Batman is older and Selina Kyle comes back into his life would be interesting and great to tie up a Burton/Keaton Batman Trilogy!!

[Sandman]

Hear Hear, I think theres room for that. Dunno if theres a market. But a Batman  sequel to Batman Returns were Batman is older and Selina Kyle comes back into his life would be interesting and great to tie up a Burton/Keaton Batman Trilogy!!

I agree there's room for one more Burton/Keaton Batman and i'd do anything and everything to see it. No matter what age Michael Keaton is i'll always wanna see im in the Batsuit again..

[thecolorsblend]

As much as I'd love to see it, I do fear audience confusion if the Burton franchise is resurrected, even if it's after Nolan's franchise has been put out to pasture.  Also, there are legacy issues to think about.  B89 and BR are far from perfect films but I love 'em so much that B89's script problems or BR's pacing/narrative issues don't really bug me too much.  I dunno if people would be so forgiving should another Keaton/Burton flick be made.

I'd love to see a miniseries (or ongoing series) in comics featuring Keaton's Batman in it's oen little self-contained universe.  But another film?  The results could be amazing... and they could also be really disappointing.

And to whoever that guy is who said Jones did a great job as Two Face, I'd advise actually reading the comics once in a while.  It'll be good for you.

[Sandman]

You are right i have thought about that myself, esp kids that are fans of Nolan's movies cause that's all they know of live action Batman and know nothing of the Burton movie's. As you said a miniseries (or ongoing series) in comics featuring Keaton's Batman would be a top idea but i think i would also like even just a made for tv movie of Keaton's Batman starring him also or a tv mini-series to finish it off.

[Azrael]

This idea about a comic book miniseries is fantastic. I think it could work, but only as a miniseries or a series of graphic novels. The possibilities are endless if something like that was realized.

I'd like to see Burton's Batman III as a graphic novel, if Burton himself would care about revisiting it and involving himself with script and ideas. I think his career these last 15 years has been succesful and fruitful enough to not hold any grudges or something about his involvement in a big franchise with McDonalds tie-ins and studio pressure, only the fond memories of that point in his life.

[Joker81]

Thats an interesting point about the graphic novel. Whether Burton would want to do it is another thing. But he is fond of doing the odd book now and again.

Maybe he should tho, he owes it to the fans!?

[Azrael]

There's a wealth of elsewords graphic novels, some excellent (e.g. the Batman Dracula trilogy), some awful. The Dark Knight Returns itself classifies as elseworlds. Some takes on Batman in those stories are very surprising and weird (Batman in Victorian London with a Joker that looks like a twisted dandy Dorian Gray). Burton's Batman III could make an excellent elseworlds project.

I know this is far-fetched, but I could see Burton involved in such a thing alongside an artist that can provide picture-perfect movie-like artwork, like e.g. John Bolton. Some artists like Neil Geiman transcended the confines between comic books, novels and film. Why Burton couldn't do something like that, since his background is in artwork, drawing and cartoons?

[THE BAT-MAN]

I have been listening to alot of what you guys are saying regarding   Batman Forever and I would like to put my 2 cents in.

First I like to start by saying that Batman Forever did not do justice to Tim Burton's Legacy.  The only reason it made a little more money than Batman Returns is because of the introduction of Robin.  When you bring Robin in the equation Parents feel that its okay to bring their kids, but if it had been just Batman with Two Face and Riddler they would think twice.  Much like what happened when Bob Kane introduced Robin in issue no.38 the purpose was to appeal to younger readers and make more money. 

I feel that although Tommy Lee Jones is a fine actor.  He acted to much like a Joker wannabe.  Two Face shouldn't laugh at his crimes. There was no duality with him and when he flips his coin he is suppose to be content with  its decision no matter what side it lands.  He kept flipping the coin in hopes that he could be allowed to shoot Bruce Wayne.  In Truth Tommy Lee Jones was given bad direction.  IMO the animated series did a better job of their version of Harvey Dent and Two Face

I also would like to add that if Tim Burton were allowed to make a third Batman film at the time.  He would have been forced to make it with Robin.  Burton believed that Batman should remain alone and hidden and by adding Robin it would only ruin that purpose.  He also stated that he didn't like Robin and that the studio kept bringing it up.  I believe that Tim would ruin the Robin character just to get the studio off his back. I only state this because of the possible casting of Marlan Wayans. 

Overall I thought that the film captured the tone of the early comics of the 1950s and had a slight feel of the 60s tv show, but it barely makes as a okay movie because its not true to what Tim was trying to do which was too keep it dark and serious and avoid anything that is camp.  Now, if you like Robin I suggest that you view Schumacher's films as Robin films because everything that was done was for Robin.  Gotham got more color, blue and red were primarily used as well as green and the film was oriented around keeping it family friendly.

Its truly terrible that Tim was not given a second chance to make a third Batman film completely Robin free.  At least he would have been able to complete his trilogy.  I also want to add that Tims movies(Batman and Batman Returns) are not exactly meant to be viewed as sequels.

Theres alot that I know that would take up too much time so for now I hope that you enjoyed what I had to say.  If you have any questions concerning the comic books or the Batman Franchise let me know.  Hopefully I can help you have a better perspective on this character and the films.

[DarkVengeance]

Robin had only a tiny part on why the film made more money. How about it was a more broad open film to take your family to during the summer break, than a deep dark gothic film ( taking place during christmas) with a mutant penguin biting noses and oozing black goo out of his mouth?

There are tons of reasons why alot more people enjoyed BF than BR at that time, it was a more accepting film in theme and tone.

[THE BAT-MAN]

Robin had only a tiny part on why the film made more money. How about it was a more broad open film to take your family to during the summer break, than a deep dark gothic film ( taking place during christmas) with a mutant penguin biting noses and oozing black goo out of his mouth?

I understand this completely, I know that there are different reason's for the success of Batman Forever, considering the fims direction and tone.  I just feel that although Robin had a small role,  it paved the way for older and younger audiences.  Therefore bringing more viewers and making more money.