Batman Forever Re-edited, would it make a real difference?

[shadowbat69]

Im curious, I know this topic has been brought up several times elsewhere, but if the deleted "red book" scenes would have been put back into Forever, would it REALLY made a difference?

Story elements aside, we still would have had the same score, same direction and visual style. To me, it just would have given it a couple more brief "serious" moments, but wouldnt have nearly enough to change the overall feel of this movie. Even with the inclusion of the opening Two Face scene, I think it would have just come across as corny with the look and feel.

What do you think?

[Paul (ral)]

I found the scenes with the red-book to be ok, but the giant bat stuff was just rediculus - "I'm Batman Alfred!"

I'm not sure that they would have saved the movie.  The dumbing down of the Riddler and making Two-Face a grunting copy of the Joker can't be redemed in my opinion.

I did watch a fan-edit that included two-faces escape and mixed elfmans music into the score - it was a slight improvement in places.

[Darth Vader]

It couldn't have saved the movie from being too flawed. I've never been too interested in Batman Forever anyway... the last time I watched it was a few years ago. When it comes to Schumacher, I'm willing to watch Batman & Robin anytime, though.

[Gotham Knight]

I doubt it would have made a difference. like the 4 versions of Highlander two. Sometimes a movie is just bad.

[Keatonfan#1]

I actually liked Batman Forever I can't understand for the life of me why some people didn't like it. Although some people didn't like Batman Returns like Jett who runs the Batman on film website states that in his opinion Batman Forever was much better than Batman Returns, I don't agree on that I think that Batman Returns was better than Batman Forever but we all have are choices. But anyways I don't care what anyone says Batman Forever was a great Batman film it is one of the best comic book films ever made so is the first 2 Burton directed films.
Here is some more info from Jett: FOREVER is a stronger character study of Bruce Wayne than any of the Burton/Schumacher films. For the first time, the audience is shown the inner demons inside of Bruce Wayne. He became Batman because his parents were murdered in front of him. But we also find out that Bruce feels that it was his fault for some reason ? he is a man haunted by anger, guilt, and revenge. Chase Meridian says it best I think, ?What kind of crime could this man have committed to subject himself to this type of punishment night after night??
Here is some stuff that Jett said about Batman is this film, BATMAN FOREVER portrays Batman as a true hero ? even more than he was in BATMAN ?89 in my opinion. From the very beginning of the film, The Batman is in action ? He suits up and heads out of the Batcave to confront Two Face. He is locked in a safe and escapes - while saving the security guard. He makes his way to Two Face?s helicopter in a failed attempt at capturing the maniac. The entire opening sequence is a statement that in this film, Batman will be portrayed as a heroic, man of action. According to jett there are many good things about this film. While not as dark as many Batman fans would have liked, and prone to a few moments of camp, FOREVER is fun and still the second best of the Burton/Schumacher Bat-films. In fact, it may the best at staying true to the comic book spirit of Batman than any of the Burton/Schumacher films. ALso Jett states that this film moved Batman away from the macabre weirdness of the bizarre RETURNS, and gave audiences a heroic, action-packed Batman that all could watch. While it is certainly not the ?definitive? Batman film, it may have offered a Batman that was closer to the comic books than any of the Burton/Schumacher films. In jett's opinion he says that out of the Burton/Schumacher films Val Kilmer was the best Batman. I loved Batman Forever and maybe Jett is right I will say that I do like this film better than Batman Returns.

[Keatonfan#1]

Yes folks in the last post that I put up at first I stated that RETURNS was better than FOREVER and then in my conclusion I stated that FOREVER was better than RETURNS. And it is Jett is right Batman Forever is way better than Batman Returns.
We were given a Batman who was a true hero in the third film. I loved this film so much more than its prequel.

[Paul (ral)]

i prefer to go with my own instincts and tastes, not someone elses.  If I feel that I can watch Returns more than Forever nothing i read will make me change.

[Darth Vader]

Whatever Jett says means nothing to me.

[Darth Vader]

Jett has like... 0 followers now. He was ruined by being unreliable during the TDK pre-production.

[shadowbat69]

I tried having a discussion with good ol Jett concerning his views towards Batman Returns on mySpace. I was always civil, but when it came down to actually discussing the reasons why he deslikes it so much and presenting me with pros and cons and continuing our friendly debate, he suddenly broke off communication with me. I dont know why. He just decided to stop discussing the film without really starting it.  I hate this word, but Jett is a "Nolanite", hes one of the ones who think that his vision is the end all of Batman movies. Batman-on-Film should be changed to Nolan-on-Film. He doesnt want to discuss any of the previous movies or their content unless it is to just state how bad it all was compared to the Nolan films. Hell, he even has Ledgers Joker above Nicholsons and we havent even seen the performance yet. Jett is just another fan boy who feels his personal liking is what everyones liking should be.

Sorry for the rant, but the dude really irritates me and I hate when poeple think of him as a bat guru and place his site and opinions on a pedistol.