Superman Reboot

[thecolorsblend]

Form that investors call last week, it sounds like Cavil and Affleck are coming back. He clearly mentioned the trinity as a focal point for the DCEU moving forward.

I think Keaton was supposed to be coming back as the main Batman, but I think they're ditching that idea and moving with Affleck.

Nothing is confirmed, but that's what would make sense to me. What else would it mean, unless they're doing a full-on reboot, which we haven't heard anything about. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

You know, this reminds me of that SDCC rumor that was floating around a few weeks ago. The tl;dr of it is that Cavill would be at SDCC and make a "surprise announcement" that his Superman is coming, a sequel is on the way, blah blah blah.

At the time, I didn't pay it much attention. Figured if anything happened, it would be all over the Internet soon enough. And wouldn't you know, nothing happened.

But the way you phrased your post jogged my memory about the Cavill rumor. Obviously, no announcement was made. But now I'm wondering if something WAS scheduled but then the announcement fell apart at the last minute because showbiz, to be rescheduled for some other time.

Again, not predicting anything. Maybe I'm connecting dots that have no business being connected. But now I'm wondering that the rumor might have been true after all... until something changed at the last minute.

In light of this conference call stuff, the Cavill rumor thing is interesting to think about, if nothing else.

[The Joker]

Form that investors call last week, it sounds like Cavil and Affleck are coming back. He clearly mentioned the trinity as a focal point for the DCEU moving forward.

Makes the most sense. Especially business wise. Put it this way, if a hard-ass like Zaslav is committed to a 10 year linear DCEU plan, then I can see how something like that would instill confidence for those he wants to bring on board. Pushing the panic reset button route once again with yet another Superman, and another Batman, ect, in the hopes that audiences will please clap is just too low energy for my tastes.

As far as the trinity being the focal point goes, if I was in Zaslav's shoes, I absolutely want Henry Cavill as Superman. I absolutely want Ben Affleck as Batman, and I absolutely want Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. All three still have plenty to offer and then some.

I think Keaton was supposed to be coming back as the main Batman, but I think they're ditching that idea and moving with Affleck.

Yeah, Zaslav effectively kneecapped the Walter Hamada Post-Flashpoint DCEU timeline before it left the barn. With talk of "The Flash" ending being reconfigured, and "Batgirl", which was completely set in that timeline, being shelved.

If Keaton's Batman is simply injured and not killed during the events of "The Flash" (assuming it's going to be released that is), then there remains the possibility of a "Batman Beyond" film. If "The Flash" is released, and is a success, and it is widely contributed to Keaton's Batman being a major force behind it, then maybe? We're just a long way away from that right now. 

However, the MCU approach of each film having a Phase 1-3 linear connective tissue seems to be Zaslav's overall preferred methodology from what I can gather. Rather than the multiversial approach. So I would have to assume that DC films taking place outside the main line DCEU 10 year plan will be fairly limited (with the Phoenix/Phillips "Joker" movies being a unique circumstance and special).

[The Dark Knight]

Form that investors call last week, it sounds like Cavil and Affleck are coming back. He clearly mentioned the trinity as a focal point for the DCEU moving forward.

I think Keaton was supposed to be coming back as the main Batman, but I think they're ditching that idea and moving with Affleck.

Nothing is confirmed, but that's what would make sense to me. What else would it mean, unless they're doing a full-on reboot, which we haven't heard anything about. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

If keeping the Cavill option alive means more headless cameos and stagnation I say move on. But if he actually came back in solo films and JL 2 and 3? Absolutely bring it on. If reshoots make Keaton's Flash appearance a one-off return, bringing in Affleck would solve a lot. There would be no need to cast another Batman actor or push Battinson into a shared universe, which I really wouldn't want.

I get the vibe from the Batman fan community that people love Keaton but aren't too hot about him being the ongoing star. A one and done would provide a sugar hit, and I'm guessing would end for him in an even more positive note. He would probably be allowed to remain in the pure Burtonverse, rather than the amalgamation world of Batgirl. Which to tell you the truth is exactly what I'd prefer. Cutting out the Supergirl movie would also free up space for Cavill. A lot of options are up in the air, and I can't wait to see how it all ends up.

[Travesty]

I get the vibe from the Batman fan community that people love Keaton but aren't too hot about him being the ongoing star. A one and done would provide a sugar hit, and I'm guessing would end for him in an even more positive note. He would probably be allowed to remain in the pure Burtonverse, rather than the amalgamation world of Batgirl. Which to tell you the truth is exactly what I'd prefer. Cutting out the Supergirl movie would also free up space for Cavill. A lot of options are up in the air, and I can't wait to see how it all ends up.

I'm not gonna lie, after how terrible the B89 comic was, I only want to see Keaton in Flash and have that be it. And if they actually drop the Flash movie entirely, I wouldn't be phased by it, at all.

That comic really put a sour taste in my mouth. I rather preserve Keaton's image to the actual movies he was in with B89 and BR. If Flash comes out, I really hope they don't mess it up like they did with the comics.

[The Laughing Fish]

Form that investors call last week, it sounds like Cavil and Affleck are coming back. He clearly mentioned the trinity as a focal point for the DCEU moving forward.

I think Keaton was supposed to be coming back as the main Batman, but I think they're ditching that idea and moving with Affleck.

Nothing is confirmed, but that's what would make sense to me. What else would it mean, unless they're doing a full-on reboot, which we haven't heard anything about. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

It says a lot that Cavill making a comeback is a recurring rumour, but we still haven't gotten any word on who could be playing Superman in the JJ Abrams/Ta-Nehisi Coates project.

Makes the most sense. Especially business wise. Put it this way, if a hard-ass like Zaslav is committed to a 10 year linear DCEU plan, then I can see how something like that would instill confidence for those he wants to bring on board. Pushing the panic reset button route once again with yet another Superman, and another Batman, ect, in the hopes that audiences will please clap is just too low energy for my tastes.

As far as the trinity being the focal point goes, if I was in Zaslav's shoes, I absolutely want Henry Cavill as Superman. I absolutely want Ben Affleck as Batman, and I absolutely want Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. All three still have plenty to offer and then some.

Agreed, and how good would it be if the next Wonder Woman film featured the DC Trinity? The third film in a trilogy, and it co-stars Batman and Superman. It could potentially be a huge rebound after the underwhelming WW84, and put the DC shared universe back on track. Let's see if WBD is that smart.

[The Joker]

Agreed, and how good would it be if the next Wonder Woman film featured the DC Trinity? The third film in a trilogy, and it co-stars Batman and Superman. It could potentially be a huge rebound after the underwhelming WW84, and put the DC shared universe back on track. Let's see if WBD is that smart.

Yeah, I heard Mikey Sutton playfully hinting around about WW3 possibly being a DC Trinity team up film on Syl's podcast (which made me think of how the 3rd Captain America MCU film warped into Disney's adaptation of Civil War as a response to BvS).

Even though it's Hollywood and anything can happen, my reaction to speculation of a Trinity team up for WW3 was like, "Stop! I can only get so er---!!!"       

[The Dark Knight]

I get the vibe from the Batman fan community that people love Keaton but aren't too hot about him being the ongoing star. A one and done would provide a sugar hit, and I'm guessing would end for him in an even more positive note. He would probably be allowed to remain in the pure Burtonverse, rather than the amalgamation world of Batgirl. Which to tell you the truth is exactly what I'd prefer. Cutting out the Supergirl movie would also free up space for Cavill. A lot of options are up in the air, and I can't wait to see how it all ends up.

I'm not gonna lie, after how terrible the B89 comic was, I only want to see Keaton in Flash and have that be it. And if they actually drop the Flash movie entirely, I wouldn't be phased by it, at all.

That comic really put a sour taste in my mouth. I rather preserve Keaton's image to the actual movies he was in with B89 and BR. If Flash comes out, I really hope they don't mess it up like they did with the comics.

Do I accept:

Wayans as Robin?
Billy Dee as Two-Face?
The new Furst styled batcycle?
The variety of new suits on display?

Yes.

But I don't like how they were adapted into this particular story. I think Batman Returns continuation needs to be able to work as a film that could have been made in the early 1990s. Period. Meaning sequences that have a less is more approach, and a degree a limitation about them due to the technology of the time. The comic didn't pass that test, and contemporary issues were too prevalent for my liking, thus breaking the immersion. I'd be a little more lenient here with The Flash given it's not a period piece - it's 30 years afterwards. The outline I read didn't sound too bad. I think it would have enough meat for us to chew on if it's Keaton's last time in the role.

[The Laughing Fish]

THR is reporting that the new regime at WB is very keen on developing a new Superman movie with Henry Cavill. It has been said that producer Charles Roven, who oversaw Cavill's first Superman production, is looking for writers to develop the script. It was reported that outgoing DC Films president Walter Hamada had been blocking Cavill's return for years, but the Rock's influence has brought Cavill back to the fold.

Huge news.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/dc-movies-james-gunn-pithces-dwayne-johnson-1235243030/

[The Joker]

With the Hamada era finally kaput (I'll give the guy a backhanded compliment and say he was competent in demoralization thanks to his agenda), it's good to officially hear that there's finally momentum in getting Cavill back where he belongs; in a Superman suit and up on the silver screen again.

[The Dark Knight]

This news comes at a critical moment in the character's history. The brand really needs something big and exciting, and this is it. The Rock is right - Cavill is the Superman of this generation. As long as the old management were there this wasn't happening. I'm glad it changed, and it's amazing that it did.

I like the idea of calling the solo movie Man of Tomorrow - to sell the idea it's a sequel to Man of Steel, bringing back everyone from the films (Fishburne, Adams, Costner, Lane, Eisenberg, etc) and depicting a brand new villain like Brainiac or Metallo. And please retain the Zimmer score. It's the finishing touch and the very DNA of this universe.

Add in a potential reshoot appearance in The Flash, an encounter with Black Adam and probably an appearance somewhere else, the comeback should be substantial and last for a lengthy duration. There is a ten year plan, and it would be logical to have Superman at the front. At this point the past is the past. We have something to anticipate now at least.