Spider-Man: No Way Home (2021)

[The Dark Knight]

What I hope for from anything that brings Maguire back to the role is some kind of development on that front. I don't need resolution. Because I never rly needed the Raimi series to end. But touching upon the leftovers from Spider-Man 3 would be a highlight for me.

Word is that both Molina and Dunst are back. One wonders what point there is in letting the genie out of the bottle if some sort of agreement with Maguire isn't almost finalized. I won't be shocked if that news comes out soon.

I really want to see Spider-MAN, and that goes for Garfield. Men who have had long careers and aren't school age youngsters.

What if Tobey and Dunst have reconciled, and Garfield is still down in the dumps? But an alternate universe Gwen, who looks exactly like his, provides his happy ending? Therefore giving both incarnations a happy resolution. Peter B Parker was effectively Tobey's Spider-Man in the Spider-Verse movie, so switching places for a point of difference may be an okay idea.

If Tobey is confirmed soon...boy. It's really going to be time to feast.

[thecolorsblend]

What I hope for from anything that brings Maguire back to the role is some kind of development on that front. I don't need resolution. Because I never rly needed the Raimi series to end. But touching upon the leftovers from Spider-Man 3 would be a highlight for me.

Word is that both Molina and Dunst are back. One wonders what point there is in letting the genie out of the bottle if some sort of agreement with Maguire isn't almost finalized. I won't be shocked if that news comes out soon.

I really want to see Spider-MAN, and that goes for Garfield. Men who have had long careers and aren't school age youngsters.

What if Tobey and Dunst have reconciled, and Garfield is still down in the dumps? But an alternate universe Gwen, who looks exactly like his, provides his happy ending? Therefore giving both incarnations a happy resolution. Peter B Parker was effectively Tobey's Spider-Man in the Spider-Verse movie, so switching places for a point of difference may be an okay idea.

If Tobey is confirmed soon...boy. It's really going to be time to feast.

How about Emma Stone playing Spider-Gwen from an alternate universe for Garfield's Spider-Man to glom onto?

[The Laughing Fish]

This whole thing seems a little try-hard to me. There's the keeping up with the Joneses bit of trying to top Flashpoint and there's also the angle of trying to drum up as much enthusiasm as possible for the MCU, which people seem to be gradually tiring of.

Yes, make no mistake, Marvel/Disney is blatantly trying to outdo The Flash. While it's true that they were the first ones to explore the concept of a multiverse when they announced the Doctor Strange sequel, I highly doubt the next Holland sequel was going to beat that movie and The Flash to the punch if Ezra Miller's film was taking a different direction.

The more I think about this, the less excited I am, to be honest. I find the MCU's latest copycat move to be rather cynical and quite annoying, and the last thing I want to do is get excited about previous versions of the characters coming back...only to be disappointed, Disney Star Wars-style. Of course, one can worry if The Flash follows the same disastrous plot point. But right now, I don't feel that level of apprehension is comparable, knowing Disney's track record.

[Silver Nemesis]

https://www.murphysmultiverse.com/charlie-cox-daredevil-spiderman-3-marvel-studios/

If this is true...

[Silver Nemesis]

While it's yet to be officially confirmed, numerous outlets, including Empire Magazine, are now running with the story about Daredevil returning in SM3: https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/charlie-cox-daredevil-spider-man/

I'm also hearing rumours that Cox will receive roughly equal screen time to Maguire and Garfield. Marvel is expected to reveal more details concerning their upcoming films at the Disney Investor Day event on Thursday, so we might get confirmation of some of these rumours in the next 24 hours.

[thecolorsblend]

While it's yet to be officially confirmed, numerous outlets, including Empire Magazine, are now running with the story about Daredevil returning in SM3: https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/charlie-cox-daredevil-spider-man/

I'm also hearing rumours that Cox will receive roughly equal screen time to Maguire and Garfield. Marvel is expected to reveal more details concerning their upcoming films at the Disney Investor Day event on Thursday, so we might get confirmation of some of these rumours in the next 24 hours.

colors- "I could give a crap about Flashpoint."
Also colors- "Holy crap, Keaton is coming back, I CAN'T WAIT FOR FLASHPOINT!"

colors- "Srsly, who gives a care about MCU Spider-Man 3?"
Also colors- "Holy crap, Cox is coming back, I CAN'T WAIT FOR MCU SPIDER-MAN 3!"

Like the man says, my hypocrisy knows no limits. This is my killer-app for anything Marvel. You bring back Charlie Cox as Daredevil and I'll gleefully watch Captain Marvel 2, for God's sake. Let's get this done, y'all!

[The Laughing Fish]

colors- "Srsly, who gives a care about MCU Spider-Man 3?"
Also colors- "Holy crap, Cox is coming back, I CAN'T WAIT FOR MCU SPIDER-MAN 3!"

Like the man says, my hypocrisy knows no limits. This is my killer-app for anything Marvel. You bring back Charlie Cox as Daredevil and I'll gleefully watch Captain Marvel 2, for God's sake. Let's get this done, y'all!

I'm not feeling it. I say f*** this sh*t and just make Daredevil Season 4 on Hulu or whatever, and pick up from where the Netflix show left off. Not keen on Cox mingling with Holland.

[The Dark Knight]

colors- "I could give a crap about Flashpoint."
Also colors- "Holy crap, Keaton is coming back, I CAN'T WAIT FOR FLASHPOINT!"

colors- "Srsly, who gives a care about MCU Spider-Man 3?"
Also colors- "Holy crap, Cox is coming back, I CAN'T WAIT FOR MCU SPIDER-MAN 3!"

Like the man says, my hypocrisy knows no limits. This is my killer-app for anything Marvel. You bring back Charlie Cox as Daredevil and I'll gleefully watch Captain Marvel 2, for God's sake. Let's get this done, y'all!

Now, oh blender of colors, you truly see things regarding this project my way. Your hook is Charlie Cox as Daredevil. Mine is Tobey Maguire as Spider-Man. We'd do anything to get another round for them. Marvel are obviously competing against Flashpoint, but who cares? They're allowed to. If we have genuine interest in both sets of characters it's the best of both worlds. Let's get both done, y'all!

[Silver Nemesis]

colors- "I could give a crap about Flashpoint."
Also colors- "Holy crap, Keaton is coming back, I CAN'T WAIT FOR FLASHPOINT!"

colors- "Srsly, who gives a care about MCU Spider-Man 3?"
Also colors- "Holy crap, Cox is coming back, I CAN'T WAIT FOR MCU SPIDER-MAN 3!"

Like the man says, my hypocrisy knows no limits. This is my killer-app for anything Marvel. You bring back Charlie Cox as Daredevil and I'll gleefully watch Captain Marvel 2, for God's sake. Let's get this done, y'all!

I'm right there with you. A few weeks ago, I couldn't have cared less about this film. I didn't think anything could get me as hyped as the thought of Keaton returning as Batman. Then they reveal Maguire's coming back as Spider-Man, and that's almost as exciting. Now we face the possibility of Cox returning as Daredevil, and I'm experiencing a whole new level of fanboy hype. Just think – Maguire's Spider-Man, Molina's Doc Ock...

...and Cox's Daredevil...

...IN THE SAME MOVIE!!!

Inevitably there'll be people who only know Daredevil from the Miller run and the Netflix show, and they'll likely be aghast at anything that deviates tonally from those sources. But the character's history is more diverse than that. I personally do think that the Miller run is definitive, and that the Netflix show adapted that era to perfection. But Miller's run has been covered in live action, and it was done superbly. There's no point simply repeating it. Ideally, I would like to see a new Daredevil TV show that follows on from the Netflix series. As we've discussed in another thread, the Bendis and Brubaker runs would offer the perfect source material to follow the earlier Miller-centric seasons.

That said, I'd also be happy to see a lighter version of the character appear in the movies. Cox's Daredevil skipped the Silver Age and went straight to the Bronze Age, but now he might have a chance to take his version back to the original sixties comics and explore a different side of him. In the comics, Daredevil's friendship with Spider-Man is as prominent as his rivalry with the Punisher. The two of them have regularly shared villains (lest anyone forget, Kingpin was originally a Spider-Man villain when he debuted in 1967 and he didn't face Daredevil until 1981), but until now fans assumed that would never happen in live action owing to legal complications. Wouldn't it be great if we were wrong?

It's no secret that the Silver Age Daredevil's gallery of rogues was somewhat underwhelming. There were a few classic villains in the early days, like the Owl, Gladiator, Mister Fear and Purple Man, but also a lot of lesser baddies like Stilt-Man, Matador and Leap-Frog. For that reason, the early Daredevil comics leant heavily into Spider-Man's gallery of rogues. In fact the very first supervillain that Daredevil ever faced in the comics was Electro, way back in 'The Evil Menace of Electro!' (Daredevil Vol 1 #2, June 1964).

And now it looks as though Cox's Daredevil could be appearing in a movie with Electro.

I honestly never thought that would happen. We might even get to see a live action version of this.

The Spider-Man/Daredevil connection is a whole aspect of both characters' mythologies that has never been explored before in live action. This movie offers a unique opportunity to tackle that material. And as long as it's Cox playing Daredevil, I'm all for it.

Incidentally, Matt Murdock did already make an incredibly brief cameo in Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (2018).

We still don't know if the rumours about Cox returning are true. But if they are it means not only are we getting more live action Daredevil, but we're getting more of Cox's Daredevil – the definitive live action version. It will mean that he is officially, canonically and indisputably the Daredevil of the MCU. And that'll almost certainly mean more movie and TV appearances further down the line. It also makes it likely we'll see D'Onofrio return as Kingpin. The Black Widow movie is introducing Florence Pugh as Yelena Belova, and it's been reported that she will be appearing as the new Black Widow in future MCU films and TV shows. Perhaps Marvel has plans for her and Cox's Daredevil?

From Sony's perspective, it makes sense to capitalise on their MCU access while they've still got it. They might renegotiate with Marvel for more joint pictures in the future, but in case they don't this could be the last Spider-Man movie tied to the MCU. They might as well use Daredevil and Doctor Strange while they still can. I've also heard rumours that Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin and Tom Hardy's Venom might put in appearances. I'm hoping the two studios can negotiate an extension of their deal. That way Maguire's Spider-Man could return in Raimi's new Doctor Strange film, as has been rumoured, and Holland's Spider-Man could battle D'Onofrio's Kingpin in a later movie.

I know a lot of people, myself included, have been feeling burnt out on superhero movies after the Infinity War films. For the past decade critics of the genre have been saying that CBMs have run their course and are on the way out, but the box office has continued to prove these naysayers wrong. My own prediction, dating back to around 2014, was that the genre would peak in popularity with the conclusion of the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, following which it would then go into decline. I still believe this. I don't think superhero films are suddenly going to start flopping overnight, but I do think the mainstream popularity they've enjoyed over the past two decades will begin to diminish. A few films will likely still cross the $1 billion mark, but it'll become an increasingly rare occurrence. I'm sceptical that any more superhero films will cross the $2 billion mark. Again, I'm not saying this is going to happen overnight; it'll be a steady decline that takes a while. But eventually I predict it'll reach a point similar to the eighties and nineties, where studios go back to just focusing on tent-pole characters like Batman and Superman and we end up with far fewer CBMs each year.

This live action multiverse trend, however, is something I never anticipated. It's the sort of thing I wished for but never thought we'd really get. It could breathe new life into the genre over the next two or three years. It won't entirely halt the decline of CBMs, but it might slow it down a bit. The multiverse concept offers a chance to unite fans of different eras, celebrate these characters' histories, and tell new stories that haven't been told before in live action. It's an ace-up-the-sleeve that paves the way for both DC and Marvel to play their ultimate trump card once the popularity of the superhero genre is on its last legs.

And what is that ultimate trump card?

Now that both studios are exploring the concept of the multiverse, this is finally a possibility. Once the genre's popularity has bottomed out, and the studios are getting desperate, I predict they'll team up to play this final hand.

[thecolorsblend]

I know a lot of people, myself included, have been feeling burnt out on superhero movies after the Infinity War films. For the past decade critics of the genre have been saying that CBMs have run their course and are on the way out, but the box office has continued to prove these naysayers wrong. My own prediction, dating back to around 2014, was that the genre would peak in popularity with the conclusion of the Infinity Gauntlet storyline, following which it would then go into decline. I still believe this. I don't think superhero films are suddenly going to start flopping overnight, but I do think the mainstream popularity they've enjoyed over the past two decades will begin to diminish. A few films will likely still cross the $1 billion mark, but it'll become an increasingly rare occurrence. I'm sceptical that any more superhero films will cross the $2 billion mark. Again, I'm not saying this is going to happen overnight; it'll be a steady decline that takes a while. But eventually I predict it'll reach a point similar to the eighties and nineties, where studios go back to just focusing on tent-pole characters like Batman and Superman and we end up with far fewer CBMs each year.

I'm to the point now where I'm... not fed up with comic book films but I do go a bit out of my way to avoid them. You give me a choice between an old episode of Dexter and [insert comic book movie here], I'll probably watch Dexter. Even if it's season 08 Dexter!

A few weeks ago, I finally set aside some time to watch Scorsese's The Irishman. I'd been putting it off for a long time. And you know what? It was a joy to watch a movie where nobody wears a cape and tries to find/recover/steal/return/save/destroy The Really Important Glowy Object. A few days ago, I spun up The Highwaymen on Netflix, same deal. I rly enjoyed myself with that one. Mank was a bit of a let down on the first viewing but you can't have everything.

Point is that I'm more interested in crime movies or bio movies or period pieces or whatever else. Maybe it's to do with the comic book industry's willful implosion over the last few years but I just don't get the same mojo from comic books and related movies that I used to. The exceptions (ZSJL, Flashpoint, JOKER, MCU Spider-Man 3) prove the rule. I doubt I would've even bothered watching Endgame if my wife hadn't wanted to see it during our mini-moon.