The Flash (2022)

[eledoremassis02]

Used the eraser tool on my phone. Really hope we get a varient poster like this


It does make a cool phone wallpaper tho

Also
https://www.superherohype.com/movies/532818-michael-shannon-got-zack-snyders-blessing-before-returning-as-zod

[Silver Nemesis]

Barry comes to understand that separate/different timelines were tangled together.

[...]

Barry sets it all right and we gets lots of cameos in the speedforce (Clooney, Carter, Reeve, West, Nicolas Cage, yes as Superman) until Barry goes home and meets Batman, whose face we do not see. Hence the vague ending we're hearing about.

If this is true, then The Flash does not occur in the Burtonverse but rather a composite universe assembled from different realities. Several people on this site already predicted as much. Sure, it's the Burtonverse Batman, but he's now slipped into another world.

This begs the question of who is the Burtonverse Superman? Not the Superman of the composite universe in which this movie takes place, but the original pure Burtonverse comprising B89 and BR. If Cage's Superman is now officially part of the DC Multiverse, then it should really be him. Furthermore, if he really does appear in The Flash then they should go ahead and make Superman Lives as an animated film, or at least as a comic.

Used the eraser tool on my phone. Really hope we get a varient poster like this


It does make a cool phone wallpaper tho

That does look cool. Good job editing it.

[DocLathropBrown]

I still will always prefer to think that Christopher Reeve is the Superman of the Burtonverse.

...or that Keaton is the Batman of the Donnerverse. As you prefer.

[thecolorsblend]

I still will always prefer to think that Christopher Reeve is the Superman of the Burtonverse.

...or that Keaton is the Batman of the Donnerverse. As you prefer.

Interesting take. Why is that?

[The Dark Knight]

My preferred take is that a Superman of any kind didn't exist in the Burtonverse.

[The Joker]

If this is true, then The Flash does not occur in the Burtonverse but rather a composite universe assembled from different realities. Several people on this site already predicted as much. Sure, it's the Burtonverse Batman, but he's now slipped into another world.

Yeah, the more I read about this, the more I think that this really sounds like something right out of "Infinite Crisis", where Alexander Luthor Junior was creating composite realities by mashing different worlds together, in a vain attempt to find what he concluded would be the 'perfect' DCU Earth.

This begs the question of who is the Burtonverse Superman? Not the Superman of the composite universe in which this movie takes place, but the original pure Burtonverse comprising B89 and BR. If Cage's Superman is now officially part of the DC Multiverse, then it should really be him. Furthermore, if he really does appear in The Flash then they should go ahead and make Superman Lives as an animated film, or at least as a comic.

I kinda like to think of Batman (especially if we're talking pure Burtonverse that's not in any way affiliated with Schumacher's continuity), to be a completely unique individual with no peers to speak of. No Superman. No Wonder Woman. No Justice League. Nothing. It's just Batman, and Batman alone. Kinda like how "Spider-Man No Way Home" confirmed Tobey's Spider-Man didn't have a shared universe with the Avengers and others (evidently a Dr. Strange exists in the Ramiverse, but it's never made clear if he's just a world world renowned surgeon or a actual Master of magic and mystic arts). Maybe it's just me being nostalgic for the pre shared universe days with cinematic DC and Marvel movies, but that's how I honestly grew up thinking about the subject. Had we got Burton's "SL" in '98 or '99, a link between Burton's Batman and Burton's Superman would be a whole lot stronger for sure, but as is, I'm fairly complacent in thinking of Cage's Superman cameo in the film being a individual completely unique to his world.

Oh, and if we ever get the news that Burton's "Superman Lives" is going to be made as a animated feature, that would be phenomenal!

[DocLathropBrown]

I still will always prefer to think that Christopher Reeve is the Superman of the Burtonverse.

...or that Keaton is the Batman of the Donnerverse. As you prefer.

Interesting take. Why is that?

Both are such pure and classic takes on each character that, to me, they would pair so perfectly. Keaton is as dark and mysterious as Reeve is bright and trustworthy.

Shame to think that Reeve pitched the idea of a cameo in '89 to WB and they said no. Not that I think it would have fit well into the body of the movie, but Reeve seemed game, and that's so cool. Had WB listened to him, they could have beaten Marvel to the cinematic universe game decades in advance.

A JL movie with Reeve, Keaton, John Wesley Shipp and Lynda Carter... To think what could have been!

[The Dark Knight]

As suspected, we'll see Batman and Supergirl being killed in the final battle in different ways. Perhaps in one loop we see Batman impaled, in another blown up or neck snapped. That's going to be brutal to see as a fan of this incarnation. I think Emperor Joker comes close to this scenario, in which Batman is killed repeatedly but he doesn't actually stay dead.

My guess based on the details is that we see Keaton moments from dying again in another loop, and he has a conversation with Barry who expresses his plan to reverse the mess he created. Keaton says something along the lines of it doesn't matter if he succeeds or not from his POV, because "you already brought me back."

The desert battle seems to be like a Knightmare-esque timeline endpoint that doesn't lead anywhere good. It has to be avoided or erased. It can't be allowed to reach its conclusion because Zod's plan would probably succeed, as the events of Man of Steel are inverted. Perhaps when things are set right again the Keaton Batman can vaguely remember what happened in the other timeline (like in Emperor Joker). And those memories are enough for him to return to crime fighting as the emotional growth he experienced through Barry's arrival still means something.

[thecolorsblend]

Both are such pure and classic takes on each character that, to me, they would pair so perfectly. Keaton is as dark and mysterious as Reeve is bright and trustworthy.

Shame to think that Reeve pitched the idea of a cameo in '89 to WB and they said no. Not that I think it would have fit well into the body of the movie, but Reeve seemed game, and that's so cool. Had WB listened to him, they could have beaten Marvel to the cinematic universe game decades in advance.

A JL movie with Reeve, Keaton, John Wesley Shipp and Lynda Carter... To think what could have been!

Fair enough. I always thought Dean Cain's Superman, Schumacher's Batman and Shipp's Flash could comfortably exist in the same universe with one another. When Lois & Clark made reference to Batman, I assumed it was Schumacher's. And when Schumacher's Batman made reference to Superman, I assumed it was Cain's. And Shipp's Flash is largely compatible with both of them.

[thecolorsblend]

I kinda like to think of Batman (especially if we're talking pure Burtonverse that's not in any way affiliated with Schumacher's continuity), to be a completely unique individual with no peers to speak of. No Superman. No Wonder Woman. No Justice League. Nothing. It's just Batman, and Batman alone.

Honestly, same. I never thought most other DC characters were compatible with Burton's reality. MAYBE Swamp Thing but I'd have to be talked into that.

Kinda like how "Spider-Man No Way Home" confirmed Tobey's Spider-Man didn't have a shared universe with the Avengers and others

It makes sense. But it's still kind of a shame because I always thought Spider-Man 3 would fit well with MCU Phase One. They COULD have blended them together and it would've been fine.

Maybe it's just me being nostalgic for the pre shared universe days with cinematic DC and Marvel movies, but that's how I honestly grew up thinking about the subject.

Agreed. When I watch Raimi's Spider-Man, Burton's Batman or Reeve's Superman, I don't miss any other characters. Doesn't bother me a bit that those characters exist in their own immaculate reality. If anything, I think the lack of connective tissue to the rest of the DC or Marvel universes enhances all of them.