The Flash (2022)

Started by Silver Nemesis, Fri, 21 Aug 2020, 14:35

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Ezra Miller is now being accused of grooming and brainwashing a couple's daughter, and have requested a protective order against him.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/ezra-miller-protective-order-cult-daughter-220721126.html
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu,  9 Jun  2022, 03:05
Ezra Miller is now being accused of grooming and brainwashing a couple's daughter, and have requested a protective order against him.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/ezra-miller-protective-order-cult-daughter-220721126.html
"Let's give that man a five-picture deal!"

Honestly, with all this business involving Ezra Miller and Amber Heard, it's taking a LOT for me to not hold it against Zack Snyder that he hired them. This is just NOT a good look. At all.

Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 03:27 #552 Last Edit: Thu, 9 Jun 2022, 03:35 by The Laughing Fish
Unless there is proof that Zack Snyder was aware of Ezra Miller and Amber Heard's true colours when they were first announced as Flash and Mera and still looked the other way, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. When Miller filmed that Knightmare scene in ZSJL, all we knew at the time was the choking incident. Not this ongoing pattern we're seeing now.

Besides, from what I heard, Johnny Depp had a lot of influence on his ex-wife getting the Mera role, so it's possible that Snyder didn't have that much clout in that case.

But going forward, Snyder shouldn't work with those actors anymore, whatever he does next. The more I read about these people, the more I'm turned off by their behaviour.

If anything, it doesn't reflect well on Emmerich and co for sticking with these actors. They knew very well they had problems, if the rumours of Miller's on-set meltdowns on the set of Flash are true, and they fired Depp based on Heard's allegations from Fantastic Beasts while sticking by Heard.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Just when you think the Ezra stuff couldn't get any worse.....

???

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu,  9 Jun  2022, 03:14
"Let's give that man a five-picture deal!"

Honestly, with all this business involving Ezra Miller and Amber Heard, it's taking a LOT for me to not hold it against Zack Snyder that he hired them. This is just NOT a good look. At all.

I always assumed that the studio foisted Miller on Snyder. WB has been pushing Miller as one of their big stars for the past few years, giving him prominent roles in both the DCEU and Fantastic Beasts franchises. Snyder typically casts masculine alpha males as his leading men, and Miller is the complete antithesis of that. I'm sure Zack had a hand in the casting of Cavill, Affleck, Momoa and Fisher, but with Miller I feel like that was a studio decision. But I could be wrong.

At any rate, it's looking more and more likely that WB will have to act on the Miller situation. The controversy is unlikely to blow over, and at this point it might be best to just reshoot his scenes with another actor. I know that'll entail remaking a large chunk of the movie. But what's the alternative?

The DCEU is dead in spirit even if it continues to limp onwards. What's done is done, and a full reboot ala The Batman and Joker universes makes more sense now. Anything else is a distortion of the original plan and holding on to false hope. Ezra Miller has been accused of assaulting people, and now supplying a minor with LSD, marijuana and alcohol. Amber Turd's name is literally mud after the embarrassing Depp court case, and should never work again. The Flash, if it ever gets released, creates a new timeline that firmly pushes Affleck and Cavill to the side. It's over and has been for a while.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 10 Jun  2022, 00:40
The DCEU is dead in spirit even if it continues to limp onwards. What's done is done, and a full reboot ala The Batman and Joker universes makes more sense now. Anything else is a distortion of the original plan and holding on to false hope. Ezra Miller has been accused of assaulting people, and now supplying a minor with LSD, marijuana and alcohol. Amber Turd's name is literally mud after the embarrassing Depp court case, and should never work again. The Flash, if it ever gets released, creates a new timeline that firmly pushes Affleck and Cavill to the side. It's over and has been for a while.
I hate that you're right. But you are.

And anyway, the reality is I got a lot more pleasure out of JOKER than I did even ZSJL.

Quote from: Travesty on Thu,  9 Jun  2022, 15:51
Just when you think the Ezra stuff couldn't get any worse.....

???

The girl has denied her parents' allegations, but if her parents are to be believed, Miller had been grooming her since she was twelve, so it's easy to imagine her getting brainwashed. But even if these allegations are false, it still doesn't dismiss Miller's other problems.

While it is possible some people could be trying to take advantage of the Miller situation for attention (such as that other girl on TikTok who accused Miller of wrongdoing a few months ago, but apparently failed to give specific details or reported to the police, for all we know), as I said, Miller has become too much of a liability. What happens if he gets arrested again? What happens if somebody else accuses him of grooming and physical assault, but backs it up with damning evidence? It's a screwed up situation.

In other news, there was a rumour going around that the new Aquaman movie had a test screening, and it still had Amber Heard in it. It's alleged WBD wanted to see if the general public cares about the circumstances surrounding her and Johnny Depp. If it's true, I think they're wasting time and they should replace her now. I can see the logic why they'd hesitate to spend even more money on replacing Miller when he's playing TWO roles in the same movie - especially on a production they've inherited from the outgoing Emmerich regime - but Heard reportedly has a much smaller screen time. Replacing should be a no brainer and cheaper than canning Miller.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Thu,  9 Jun  2022, 22:24But what's the alternative?
I've been thinking about this. Maybe my own biases are coming out here. But between Miller acting like a wackaloon and, y'know, some of the story developments all but confirmed to be happening in The Flash, at this point I think that the best bet may be just taking the L and dropping the movie onto HBO Max with minimal fanfare.

I just can't envision this movie doing well at the box office. Assaulting women, allegedly grooming young girls, I mean there's no way of washing the stink off the movie anymore.

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Fri, 10 Jun  2022, 01:50The girl has denied her parents' allegations, but if her parents are to be believed, Miller had been grooming her since she was twelve, so it's easy to imagine her getting brainwashed.
Look, don't mistake me for an expert. But I think you're right. You're pretty much calling it. If she was brainwashed (or whatever), obviously she won't see a problem with Miller's behavior. There will be some kind of digital trail tho. Some kind of evidence (DM's, text messages, etc.) that show what Miller was actually up to. That and any possible, y'know, physical misconduct that Miller may be guilty of will be what ultimately sends him up a creek.

Without going into too much detail, I know someone who went through something similar to this when she was a child. She believed for a long time that it was all her idea. It was only after years of therapy that she eventually saw the real pattern that was going on. So, similarly, Miller's alleged victim might simply be too messed up right now to see what actually went on.

Spending millions of dollars on a dead duck is illogical, therefore I don't endorse reshoots. The powers that be cast this animal in the first place and must now wear that shame like a crown of thorns. Keaton and other actors have already given their performance and shouldn't be forced to give it again. That tangled mess is what jaded Ben Affleck and helped push him away from the genre. Get this thing in cinemas, take what you can get and move on. WB would want to skip to Batgirl as soon as possible, but to get there they must first manoeuvre one large speed bump.