The Flash (2022)

Started by Silver Nemesis, Fri, 21 Aug 2020, 14:35

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The entire plot has leaked. There are two leaks. The second version floating around is trying to embellish what is in the first, but it has been called a fake. The first however has been all but confirmed. My rendition of is below in white for those of you trying to avoid spoilers.

Motivated by security footage that fails to exonerate Henry Allen in court, Barry goes back in time to save Nora from a home invasion. On the way back he is knocked out of the speed force by a black clad speed force warrior and ends up in an alternate 2013 with another Barry where his parents are alive.

The events of Man of Steel play out. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. Barry freaks because it turns out there was never a Justice League. Alt Barry informs him that there was once however, a Batman at least.

They go to visit Bruce Wayne, who is 'crazy.' He has long hair and is kinda jacked up because Gotham City is now the safest place on Earth. (Maybe the Bat Drone rumor from a couple of years ago has something to do with it?)

Bruce explains the Multiverse and describes time as a fulcrum, so changes impact events in both directions. You can have universes with all kinds of combinations of things but some certain points always seem to happen.

Bruce doesn't want to help, but Barry gets into the Batcave and uses the bat computer to uncover a backdoor connection into NASA to locate where he thinks a Kryptonian pod was found. The alien is being held in Siberia. The Barries Allen and Bruce go, using a new version of the Batwing.

At the Siberian base, they find not Kent but Kara, underpowered and in captivity, After they get her out she claims to be Kal-El's cousin and was sent after him, but their pods were separated and she doesn't know where he is.

Keaton armors up in a BvS mech suit that has a Burton aesthetic and they recreate the accident that created the Flash on Alt Barry, who is getting very chummy with Kara. A bond forms.

The quartet engage Zod in a desert, who reveals he found Kal's pod and murdered him as an infant. They learned the codex was hidden away with Kara.

They fight. Extremely brutal deaths for Kara and Batman. Kara gets the neck snap.

The Barries go back in time to try and save them, but they keep finding new ways to die again. Barry thinks this is one of those fixed points that Bruce described, but Alt Barry becomes obsessed with saving Supergirl, getting more and more injured as he keeps going back in time and fighting the Kryptonians.

Barry tries to convince Alt Barry that sometimes you have to let go.

A future version of Alt Barry intercedes. It turns out he is the black clad speedster and he was trying to kill Barry. He's been doing this for many many years, trying different permutations, seeing universes collapse as he tries to save them. In the visual representation of the speed force we see Christopher Reeve, Adam West, and Lynda Carter.

But Future Evil (Black) Flash has realized that the common thread is Barry: if he dies, things can change. Black Flash tries to stab him but Alt Barry sacrifices himself. This causes a paradox and Reverse-Flash vanishes as Alt Barry dies in Barry's arms.

To fix the damage, Barry undoes the time change he'd made to save his mom, but uses the 'can of tomatoes' maneuver to make it so that his dad's face is clearly seen so that, in the present at least, Henry is spared.

Outside the court house, Bruce arrives but it isn't Affleck but Keaton. Barry is confused, sees a bus drive by with Wonder Woman's image on it. Supergirl flies down next to them. (One rumor is that they retain some memory of their dystopian selves) Keaton says "Ready to get to work?" and gives Barry the ring.

Affleck has two scenes: one as Batman during an action scene, then one as Bruce where he advises Barry not to change the past because our pain makes us who we are.

Second scene is Aquaman being drunk and Barry telling him about the old universe and Aquaman getting confused that Supergirl used to be a man.

2nd post credit scene is Barry at his apartment and the screens in his place start glitching. Affleck shows up and say "Barry I don't know if you'll able to see this but if you do, come and find us."

At the risk of sounding too much like someone else, my enthusiasm for this thing is waning. I was hoping certain plot stuff concerning MOS was not true. But it's looking more and more likely all the time.

This is simply not acceptable to me.

Tue, 26 Apr 2022, 02:15 #532 Last Edit: Tue, 26 Apr 2022, 02:20 by The Dark Knight
WB has two animals in their employ, one Ezra Miller and one Amber Turd. It seems like they're sticking by Turd, which will make Aquaman 2's box office more interesting viewing than the movie itself.

But what of Miller? Do they play the mental health card or part ways? I'm not sure yet – that will have to play out. They've bought time with the delay, but a release day will come. Too much has been already spent and is in the pipeline to pull the cord now. In 2023 the Ezra situation will still have hijacked the film, making it feel something like a posthumous performance.

He's not a bit player; he's the title character. Which means prominently marketing a disgraced actor who the informed viewer does not like, who is either sacked or should have been. That's the cloud hanging over everything regardless of how one feels about the plot points.

As for the new suit, it's less believable Keaton kept the Returns design for three decades, considering he kept the B89's for about three years. The general look is there, and communicates it's this particular incarnation of Batman. It's not my favorite but I don't hate it. I'm okay with the change.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 25 Apr  2022, 17:11
At the risk of sounding too much like someone else, my enthusiasm for this thing is waning. I was hoping certain plot stuff was not true. But it's looking more and more likely all the time.

This is simply not acceptable to me.

Hey, now you know how it feels.

There are a few details in the rumoured leaks I'm admittedly keen about, but the rest leaves a lot to be desired. Totally agree with you about all things Superman/MOS too.

Not great. But we'll have to see what happens next in the Miller debacle before we complain about the plot points any further.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Flash trailer debut at cinema con.

Focus of the trailer was Barry trying to talk Keaton into joining him. Keaton has a batcycle and apparently a bunch of new suits. There are babmobile shots and the trailer ends with Keaton answering Barry with "Ya want to get nuts? Alright let's get nuts." Zod is the threat.

Quote from: Gotham Knight on Mon, 25 Apr  2022, 15:21
The entire plot has leaked. There are two leaks. The second version floating around is trying to embellish what is in the first, but it has been called a fake. The first however has been all but confirmed. My rendition of is below in white for those of you trying to avoid spoilers.
I've been digesting these details.

I'm feeling perhaps Burton Batman isn't mad in the traditional sense, but more self-satisfied with the results of the work he can now do from the comfort of his own home. Meaning he has let himself go with his appearance, namely his hair.

Controlling drones would still allow a hands on role rather than the romantically ignorant idea legislation such as the Harvey Dent Act would cancel out crime for a lengthy duration of time. I think this section of the film has potential, especially with the Wayne Manor and batcave locations providing atmosphere and Easter egg cameos. 

My issue is where that momentum leads. We see the Burton Batman suit up only to fly to his death, which we apparently witness in a variety of different brutal ways. Is that something to get excited about?

Based on this outline it seems Batman does not escape his fate like he should, nor does Barry manage to rescue him. The next time we see him he returns by default as a variant is made which contains past memories.

I'm interested to see Keaton, but overall, and on paper, I don't think it exactly seems to be a glorious return. As for the Superman component, the S78 and B89 comics alluded that both universes co-existed. I don't see how that can be the case according to the leaks.

Wed, 27 Apr 2022, 10:12 #536 Last Edit: Wed, 27 Apr 2022, 10:20 by eledoremassis02


Mentions what the (a few) post above mentions and confirm long Hair bruce


Also

Thinking of a Crime Free gotham, I hope we will see a bit of that. It somthing that seemed a little too Justice Lord-ish, but thinking how much much Gotham Changed from 89-Returns (much cleaner, money came back to the city) in the undisclosed amount (3 years if we're following real time) it does seem like if there was a Batman that could clean up Gotham, it would be Keatons (even if this may not be 100% Burtons Batman). Still not sure how I feel about the long hair idea. I always imagined Keatons Bruce Wayne becoming alot like his Batman Beyond counterpart, perhaps he his, but I guess a part of it is this Bruce not having an Alfred anymore and just let himself go/no need to really care anymore.

I hope we get the trailer soon, though I could see it getting delayed until the news cools a bit.

Quote from: eledoremassis02 on Wed, 27 Apr  2022, 10:12

He says the "Let's get nuts" line? I thought he might. That's Keaton's second most iconic piece of bat-dialogue after "I'm Batman." It's been referenced quite a bit in pop culture.











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Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 27 Apr  2022, 11:58
He says the "Let's get nuts" line? I thought he might. That's Keaton's second most iconic piece of bat-dialogue after "I'm Batman." It's been referenced quite a bit in pop culture.

True.

Sounds like the depiction they were going for with Keaton's variant Batman, is something of a reclusive gatekeeper of Gotham, with a openly eccentric behavior pattern dialed up considerably from what we saw with Burton's Batman. Probably done so to achieve a comical response/reaction with Ezra's Flash's quips and sarcasm that are no doubt going to be ever present in this .....
"Imagination is a quality given a man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humour was provided to console him for what he is."

I'm hearing that they shaved some years off Keaton for the trailer.