The Flash (2022)

[The Dark Knight]

I mean, reshoots can also mean adding more character time or making streamline changes (ala Days of Future Past reshoots). Regardless, I've come to really not rely on leaks and find them to become more and more mixed (not sure who your source is, just my general experience) and in some cases, 100% fabricated to cause internet drama

They're also filming Batgirl, which might impact changes in Flash (and one reason why I don't like this Marvel style of film making).

Ofcourse this is all speculation on my part

I watched the Back to the Future movies again after a number of years. They're great, obviously. But what struck me is how much I respect 'The End' statement at the end of Part 3. They really meant it. BTTF is a late 80s franchise of pure nostalgia frozen in time, and that's a large reason why we love it. It's of its era and comes with distinctive charm. The same applies to the Indiana Jones films, which should have stopped after The Last Crusade. Revisiting something is very rarely the same 20 or 30 years after the fact.

As an aside, the BTTF films also highlight to me how plot conveniences can be valuable in storytelling to heighten a mood or theme, as well as humor. They shouldn't always be fought if the result is enjoyable overall. Film is heightened reality.

What I'm getting at here is Keaton coming back as Batman after 30 years. I think he can deliver a good performance. But a lot depends on the atmosphere that gets created around him. I still have Keaton at the top of my actor ranking, and have zero shame in admitting nostalgia of the 1990s plays a part in that. I don't think the Burton vibe can be replicated, or our expectations realistically met. But if our childhoods can be satisfied even for a brief moment, perhaps it will be worth it. Because the movie is coming out anyway.

[Travesty]

I'm already expecting both Batmans to be bad in Flash. If it turns out to be good or decent, I'll recognize it. I never lie about my opinion if it turns out I'm wrong. I do it all the time here, lol.

[eledoremassis02]

I mean, reshoots can also mean adding more character time or making streamline changes (ala Days of Future Past reshoots). Regardless, I've come to really not rely on leaks and find them to become more and more mixed (not sure who your source is, just my general experience) and in some cases, 100% fabricated to cause internet drama

They're also filming Batgirl, which might impact changes in Flash (and one reason why I don't like this Marvel style of film making).

Ofcourse this is all speculation on my part

I watched the Back to the Future movies again after a number of years. They're great, obviously. But what struck me is how much I respect 'The End' statement at the end of Part 3. They really meant it. BTTF is a late 80s franchise of pure nostalgia frozen in time, and that's a large reason why we love it. It's of its era and comes with distinctive charm. The same applies to the Indiana Jones films, which should have stopped after The Last Crusade. Revisiting something is very rarely the same 20 or 30 years after the fact.

As an aside, the BTTF films also highlight to me how plot conveniences can be valuable in storytelling to heighten a mood or theme, as well as humor. They shouldn't always be fought if the result is enjoyable overall. Film is heightened reality.

What I'm getting at here is Keaton coming back as Batman after 30 years. I think he can deliver a good performance. But a lot depends on the atmosphere that gets created around him. I still have Keaton at the top of my actor ranking, and have zero shame in admitting nostalgia of the 1990s plays a part in that. I don't think the Burton vibe can be replicated, or our expectations realistically met. But if our childhoods can be satisfied even for a brief moment, perhaps it will be worth it. Because the movie is coming out anyway.

Michael Keaton did say this "[It was] weirdly and ironically easy. A little bit emotional. Just a rush of memories. Without giving anything away, which I can't, basically the first shot, not of the entire movie but let's say the introduction [of Batman], is so good that when we walked on and started talking about a couple of shots and the angles, I went 'whoa, this is big. This is great.' I don't even mean for me. Just the imagery, it's great. And reminiscent, to some degree, of Tim Burton."
https://collider.com/michael-keaton-batman-the-flash-movie-first-scene-comments/

"There's no reason to do it if it's not good. It's not gonna really change anything. And I just jumped in and had fun. And why would you not? You know, I mean, director Andy Muschietti is fantastic, and he's really creative. I don't know. It's fun."
https://movieweb.com/michael-keaton-praises-the-flash-director-his-fun-batman-return/

"I have never said this — this is hot off the presses — but maybe my favorite scenes in terms of Batman and the interpretation of Batman that I have done were in the Flash movie," Affleck told The Herald Sun (via Variety.) "I hope they maintain the integrity of what we did because I thought it was great and really interesting — different, but not in a way that is incongruent with the character....Who knows? Maybe they will decide that it doesn't work... But when I went and did it, it was really fun and really, really satisfying and encouraging, and I thought, 'Wow — I think I have finally figured it out" - Ben Affleck
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/ben-affleck-called-batman-flash-favorite-interpretation-character.html/

These are the quotes im really holding on in terms of what to expect from the movie.

Most important thing for me is that Michael Keatons standards for the character are high (enought to drop out of doing Forever over tonal issues) and most importantly, Afflect having a good time with the character that has given him so much baggege (both the inital reaction to RVS and the mess that was Justice League reshoots). The man deserves atleast that much.

[The Laughing Fish]

Most important thing for me is that Michael Keatons standards for the character are high (enought to drop out of doing Forever over tonal issues) and most importantly, Afflect having a good time with the character that has given him so much baggege (both the inital reaction to RVS and the mess that was Justice League reshoots). The man deserves atleast that much.

Josstice League has taught me to never take actors' words for granted. The cast once praised Whedon for getting involved in those reshoots, and look what happened. Affleck expressing doubts over his favourite scenes making the final cut is already a red flag.

That being said, Ezra Miller shared this curious Instagram story in reaction to Affleck's alleged swansong in The Flash.

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/the-flash-star-ezra-miller-doubts-ben-affleck-done-playing-batman/

Miller is an eccentric guy though, so I'm not sure if anyone should take him seriously.

[eledoremassis02]

Most important thing for me is that Michael Keatons standards for the character are high (enought to drop out of doing Forever over tonal issues) and most importantly, Afflect having a good time with the character that has given him so much baggege (both the inital reaction to RVS and the mess that was Justice League reshoots). The man deserves atleast that much.

Josstice League has taught me to never take actors' words for granted. The cast once praised Whedon for getting involved in those reshoots, and look what happened. Affleck expressing doubts over his favourite scenes making the final cut is already a red flag.

That being said, Ezra Miller shared this curious Instagram story in reaction to Affleck's alleged swansong in The Flash.

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/the-flash-star-ezra-miller-doubts-ben-affleck-done-playing-batman/

Miller is an eccentric guy though, so I'm not sure if anyone should take him seriously.

Very true, but there still is Keaton, he could of easily passed but I don't see him doing somthing with Batman (or Bettlejuice) without feeling like it's worth it. He did have to re-read the script before officially signing on but it seems the time travel universe jumps went (and are) over his head lol

edit:
This has a new shot of the flash and a new feature on his suit

[The Laughing Fish]

Very true, but there still is Keaton, he could of easily passed but I don't see him doing somthing with Batman (or Bettlejuice) without feeling like it's worth it. He did have to re-read the script before officially signing on but it seems the time travel universe jumps went (and are) over his head lol

Pardon my cynicism, but when you're offered a lucrative multi-picture deal it's hard to talk bad about it.

That's not a knock on Keaton, by the way. If I were in his position, I'd would've accepted the deal too. I'm just not so crazy about the potential pitfalls his character will likely be facing, and if Tim Burton isn't involved in a consultant level then it makes the comeback even less appealing. Nevertheless, let's see if any of the rumoured plans surrounding Keaton will happen once the Discovery merger is complete. All we know so far he's in Flash and, for better or worse, Batgirl.

As for the latest look at Miller's new Flash costume, I'm still not feeling it. Maybe if the shot didn't look like the CW TV show I might like it better. This is the second time I get CW vibes from this movie, the sneak peak trailer looked like it was from a TV show. Even the music sounded very similar to the Arrowverse Flash theme.

[eledoremassis02]

True, but he was also in a multi-picture deal (Im sure with alot of money on the table) at the height of his career and still backed out of Forever (which was a hit at the time) because he did not like the direction the films were going. He could have also of said "no" to WB as he's in a semi-comeback and locked with Marvel so I'm sure there money is fine right now. Granted, there are defintly Keaton movies where he must be like "I want a new horse or camping gear, what films are available". 

Yea, I'll be 100% honest, it wasnt until my 3rd watch that I realized it wasnt from the show lol.

On a sidenote, found this
Not official:
https://twitter.com/ReevzFX/status/1471614698160222209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1471614698160222209%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwhatculture.com%2Ffilm%2Fhow-michael-keatons-batman-will-look-under-the-cowl-in-the-flash

Edit:
Pictures of Keaton (?) on set in Batgirl have surfaced. Gonna post here the link as to not spoil for anyone
https://twitter.com/batgirlfilm/status/1492658389318574084?s=25

[The Laughing Fish]

Pictures of Keaton (?) on set in Batgirl have surfaced. Gonna post here the link as to not spoil for anyone
https://twitter.com/batgirlfilm/status/1492658389318574084?s=25

As nice as it is to see him back in the costume, all this does make me wish we got Batman 3 directed by Burton or Batman Beyond, instead of this jumbled mess they're going with.

[eledoremassis02]

Looks like he might be wearing The Flash Batman suit in the Batgirl flashbacks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLq2XrwXwAIlAG2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLqqZ_DXsAEpP0x?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLqqYZFXIAoCmrU?format=jpg&name=small

Enhanced photo (?) https://i.postimg.cc/FR1mN1xk/E93191-DA-5516-489-F-A77-B-B223-AA0-BE28-F.jpg

[Gotham Knight]

Looks like he might be wearing The Flash Batman suit in the Batgirl flashbacks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLq2XrwXwAIlAG2?format=jpg&name=4096x4096
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLqqZ_DXsAEpP0x?format=jpg&name=small
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLqqYZFXIAoCmrU?format=jpg&name=small

Enhanced photo (?) https://i.postimg.cc/FR1mN1xk/E93191-DA-5516-489-F-A77-B-B223-AA0-BE28-F.jpg

Really good catch.