The Flash (2022)

[The Dark Knight]

I think it says a lot that even if these rumors are total bs, nobody is putting it past WB to pull something like this.

If I'm the head of a major movie studio and I see that fans -- ostensibly my core audience -- are expecting the worst from me, I would consider that a problem that needs to be solved asap.

If ever a film needed reshoots, it's now. But there won't be. The Flash will go down like a lead balloon with the fans. Ideally the Snyderverse would have continued, but when the decision was made to move on, they should have truly moved on and scrapped any semblance of DCEU continuity.

[thecolorsblend]

I think it says a lot that even if these rumors are total bs, nobody is putting it past WB to pull something like this.

If I'm the head of a major movie studio and I see that fans -- ostensibly my core audience -- are expecting the worst from me, I would consider that a problem that needs to be solved asap.

If ever a film needed reshoots, it's now. But there won't be. The Flash will go down like a lead balloon with the fans. Ideally the Snyderverse would have continued, but when the decision was made to move on, they should have truly moved on and scrapped any semblance of DCEU continuity.

Mmm.

See, I think there was some effort to do just that. Josstice League crashed and burned so somebody rolled JOKER and The Batman into production. But it's like everything else to do with WB, everything was done half-ass. Gal Gadot and Jason Momoa kept their roles because "they were the successful parts".

Seems strangely fitting in a way since this mix-and-match approach also created absolute chaos after Crisis On Infinite Earths in the comics, where some characters got Page 1 reboots (Superman), other characters got warm reboots (Batman) and quite a few characters weren't rebooted at all (The Flash, Legion Of Super-Heroes). The ones that weren't scorched Earth rebooted tended to suffer greatly.

And here we are going through essentially the same thing with the movies. The Reeves Batman film looks like the only clear winner going on right now.

[The Dark Knight]

Egg-xactly. How much longer does this corpse drag itself along the glass strewn concrete? Especially when you'll have Snyder and Burton fans screaming at the top of their lungs into maximum volume bullhorns about the mistreatment of their icons. Do they decide to finally cut the cord then, or do they defiantly push on? The coming years will tell the story. I do think the mountain will eventually crumble into the sea, but I won't shed a tear. I'll be swinging on a hammock in the jungle canopy eating popcorn. And perhaps the odd mango and pineapple. The DCEU isn't worth getting worked up over, really. Just look at it with bemused indifference.

What remains?

The Batman, it's sequels and HBO Max shows.
Batman: Caped Crusader - mesa hoping Jar Jar gets banished again if he screw this up.
JOKER 2 for the fact Phoenix is a slam dunk actor and the tone would be similar to the original film and The Batman.

Anything else is locked up in the DCEU prison while those outside the bars point and laugh.

[The Laughing Fish]

Grace Randolph must be feeling the heat for tweeting those rumours, because now she's feuding with Snyderverse fans and telling them to move on.

It was only nearly a year ago she urged everyone to keep the hype up as soon as ZSJL came out.



Something tells me the studio must be threatening to take her access media privileges away, because the rumours not only spread to TMZ, even outlets like Forbes have been reporting it. YouTubers like Randoplh are so full of sh*t, so it wouldn't surprise me if she was ordered to discourage the fans. I'm not saying she's right or wrong about The Flash, but she has a horrible track record with her scoops, such as declaring WW84 would be a Flashpoint event rebooting DC and there would be dick pics in BOP, which director Cathy Yan called her out saying it's false.

Meanwhile, it appears Zack Snyder has urged fans not to give up hope on restoring the Snyderverse just yet, as he had been sharing DC-related pictures on VERO over the last few weeks.



Excuse the link, I couldn't find other outlets reporting this:
https://geekositymag.com/zack-snyder-tells-fans-to-never-lose-faith-in-his-dceu-return/

[Gotham Knight]

I've heard now that WB loves the Flash. BIG RUMOR, but it is now gaining traction from multiple insiders:

Andy Muschietti has been offered the chair for the Justice League Reboot movie working under the presumptive title, Rebirth.

[Travesty]

Oh jesus.....

[eledoremassis02]

Both Ben Affleck and Keaton are satisfied with what the filmed which is honestly enough for me.

Affleck has closure and had a good time filming and Keaton was impressed. Thats whats important (espeshally in regards to Affleck whos unesserily been around the ring playing Batman)

Snyder doing Wonder Woman 3 does seem interesting but I'll wait and see on that.

[The Dark Knight]

Keaton and Affleck may very well be satisfied with what they filmed. Affleck is probably more relieved to be done with the whole thing. My chief concern is where the overall journey of the film leads. The vibe I can't shake is that our entertainment has become incidental to politics. Before a sporting event we have kneeling or some other message being tacked on. For me, an all female/diversity League cannot be anything other than the studio pushing 'entertainment on our terms'. Batman and Superman have always been the main members, with any other characters existing but being in the background. Look at how existing norms have to be distorted for abnormal setups to be implemented.

[The Laughing Fish]

Oh jesus.....

Let me guess, not a fan of the the Justice League reboot rumour? Well, I heard another rumour they want Geoff Johns as a producer.

What a hideous joke that would be if that were true. With the exception of the Aquaman movie he co-wrote, every other DC production that Johns was credited for has been a complete disaster. The 2011 Green Lantern movie he produced was a box office bomb, Josstice League was another bomb he produced, which cost him his job as the head of DC Films. Not to mention he was singled out for enabling Whedon's mistreatment of people behind the scenes - as well as being one of the key culprits for causing internal sabotage within the whole DC franchise. Finally, he took credit for WW2017's success while he was running with this "hope and optimism" agenda to the media during his time as DC Films prez, only to co-write WW84 - a sequel that's considered to be a serious backward step and a letdown for Wonder Woman as a franchise.

Even if you still somehow don't believe what Ray Fisher has been saying, can you seriously look at Johns' track record and say he should still work in film production? He has cost that damn studio so much money over the last decade. But at the same time, it wouldn't at all be surprising if he does become a producer again, when the egotistical f***heads in charge have mismanaged not only DC, but WB as a brand name for years. After all, Johns is still working on DC's TV productions. These people protect each other.

So yeah, if you don't have any faith in Warner Butchers having praise for what they've done to The Flash, I'm with you.

Meanwhile, I saw transcripts from Ben Affleck speaking to the Australian newspaper Herald Sun and the LA Times, and he speaks a little about Batman while promoting The Tender Bar, and looking back at his life and career so far. I can't link the HR article because it's blocked by a paywall at this point in time, but I'll share this interesting screenshot from that interview.



These quotes stick out as a red flag to me. If Affleck is unsure the material he enjoyed doing as Batman will even be included in the final cut then this film is very compromised. It doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement to me.

If I can find complete access to the HR article, I'll share it on this thread. But in the meantime, here is a snippet from Affleck's interview with LA Times:

In 2016, I interviewed you three times — for "Batman v Superman," "The Accountant" and "Live by Night" — and I got the sense that you were under a lot of pressure. Shortly after that, you dropped out of directing and starring in "The Batman" and sought treatment for your drinking. Was that when your priorities changed?


Directing "Batman" is a good example. I looked at it and thought, "I'm not going to be happy doing this. The person who does this should love it." You're supposed to always want these things, and I probably would have loved doing it at 32 or something. But it was the point where I started to realize it's not worth it. It's just a wonderful benefit of reorienting and recalibrating your priorities that once it started being more about the experience, I felt more at ease.

It was really "Justice League" that was the nadir for me. That was a bad experience because of a confluence of things: my own life, my divorce, being away too much, the competing agendas and then [director] Zack [Snyder]'s personal tragedy [Snyder's daughter Autumn died by suicide in 2017] and the reshooting. It just was the worst experience. It was awful. It was everything that I didn't like about this. That became the moment where I said, "I'm not doing this anymore." It's not even about, like, "Justice League" was so bad. Because it could have been anything.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/movies/story/2022-01-07/ben-affleck-tender-bar-amazon?_amp=true

I don't understand why he decided to come back for The Flash. If he were truly finished playing the role and didn't want to do it anymore, it would've made much more sense if ZSJL was his farewell. That way, I could understand the argument he came back to film those epilogue scenes during lockdown as a favour for Zack, rather than planning to return on a recurring basis.

Affleck knows more than anyone how Warner operates nowadays, and after his experience with JL turned sour because of those reshoots and the competing agendas - as he says - behind the scenes, I'd be shocked if he willingly returned to the role one more time as some misguided sendoff, when he risks being the brunt of the joke and petty sabotage yet again.

Plus, Zack Snyder - as well as Ray Fisher, Ray Porter, Wayne T. Carr and Clay Staub - have been sharing pro-Snyderverse stuff on social media, some of them tweeted #RestoreTheSnyderVerse. Even if Affleck decided he didn't want to come back any more, I still have a hard time believing he would participate in a film which is rumoured to be a big FU to everything he and Snyder had done.

I can't blame Affleck for leaving four years ago, now I know the studio has burned so many bridges with so many people over the years, in addition to the personal problems he was having. But I am very confused over why he'd even want to return for The Flash - even as a farewell - when he doesn't seem certain if his best work in that film will make the final cut. You know, if they were planning to kill characters off and rebooting the universe, it would make a lot more sense if this film was called Crisis, Flashpoint or whatever, instead of officially calling it "The Flash". What a misnomer.

I repeat, the way this is going, this movie will be even bigger bomb and a big PR black eye than Josstice League.

[eledoremassis02]