The Flash (2022)

[The Dark Knight]

Not to alarm anyone, but my worst fear, the absolute worst case scenario we might be facing here, is that DC and WB are trying to purge the ranks of the Justice League of all straight white male heroes and replace them with diverse substitutes. If that's the case, then I can see them introducing an alternate timeline in which Shannon's Zod defeated Superman and Supergirl has to step up to take his place, and in which Batgirl has to seize the mantle of the bat from an old emasculated broken-down Bruce Wayne. This would be full Justice League Woke territory, positioning Supergirl and Batgirl as the new World's Finest, but I can't believe the studio would be reckless or insane enough to do it. Not when there's room for Superman, Supergirl, Batman and Batgirl to co-exist with equal dignity. Such an approach would destroy any goodwill garnered by Keaton's return and condemn the entire DCEU to ruin. So I don't really think it will happen. But it is a frightening possibility.

Just watch them do exactly this. I believe it's going to happen, and I have thought that for a while. Shared universes work, but only when the original plan is adhered to. Once the studio made the decision to walk away from The Snyder Plan, they should've just abandoned the DCEU altogether rather than creating this Frankenstein monster. I also believe if any Beyond themed movie is made it won't be what we want. Such a shame Keaton's return had to be in this context.

With Reeves' The Batman, however, I think we're in for a genuinely good film. His trilogy has the potential to be the heir to Nolan's TDK trilogy in terms of quality. The fact it promises to be self-contained is a major plus point in its favour. The whole shared universe thing was a cool novelty ten years ago, but by now the novelty is wearing thin. I'm ready for a good old fashioned self-contained Batman movie, like the ones we got between 1989 and 2012.

The Batman universe is the only thing I'm interested in now, DC wise.

[The Laughing Fish]

Not to alarm anyone, but my worst fear, the absolute worst case scenario we might be facing here, is that DC and WB are trying to purge the ranks of the Justice League of all straight white male heroes and replace them with diverse substitutes. If that's the case, then I can see them introducing an alternate timeline in which Shannon's Zod defeated Superman and Supergirl has to step up to take his place, and in which Batgirl has to seize the mantle of the bat from an old emasculated broken-down Bruce Wayne. This would be full Justice League Woke territory, positioning Supergirl and Batgirl as the new World's Finest, but I can't believe the studio would be reckless or insane enough to do it. Not when there's room for Superman, Supergirl, Batman and Batgirl to co-exist with equal dignity. Such an approach would destroy any goodwill garnered by Keaton's return and condemn the entire DCEU to ruin. So I don't really think it will happen. But it is a frightening possibility.

This wretched studio sabotaged Justice League and denied the Snyder cut's existence for four years, wrecked Ayer's Suicide Squad and openly refused to release his cut, fired Ray Fisher from The Flash, forced Zack to remove John Stewart from his cut of JL...and you don't think they would be insane or reckless enough to even entertain the idea of using woke politics to reboot DC on film?

Don't be naive.

They've ruined all the goodwill they gained with ZSJL with their hostility towards everyone associated with that film - including the fans - throughout 2021. So I'd have no doubt they'd want do the same thing with Keaton's return. After all, what better way is there to fight off all of this discrimination backlash than weaponising woke politics to appear progressive? That's how spiteful and low this studio is. Why do you think we have not one, but TWO black Superman projects? If Toxic WB were really that progressive, a John Stewart-led GL project and a Steel reboot connected to the original DCEU would've been made years ago.

I'm still shaking my head with disbelief over Keaton's involvement in Batgirl, and the rumours of him serving as an inspiration/mentor to Black Canary in that film is eye-rolling. Besides, I thought Dinah Laurel Lance's inspiration was her mother Dinah Drake, before she takes over the mantle of Black Canary? Having Keaton doing this instead makes me suspect this has nothing to do with the Burtonverse Batman at all. After all, JK Simmons was quoted saying Batgirl is a "multiverse" story. The more I read too much into it, the more I believe Simmons, Keaton and maybe even Jurnee Smollett aren't "reprising" their characters from their previous appearances, but playing different variations of these characters in the multiverse.

That's the only logical reason I can think of, because Keaton in Batgirl makes NO f***ing sense whatsoever. Even if Batgirl was supposed to lead up to The Flash, why have Keaton in it? Doesn't that spoil any potential excitement for his role in The Flash? Assuming if Batgirl still gets made released this year before Flash comes out, of course.

This is all going to be disaster. I'm not kidding when I say this could permanently destroy the DC brand, not just Burtonverse and Snyderverse. Unless A&T, and Discovery steps in once the merger is completed, the current regime at Toxic WB will burn DC to the ground.

If Keaton's Batman gets the Jake Skywalker treatment in any of these upcoming films, nobody should hesitate to hold Keaton partly responsible for such a mess. He didn't need to come back, and he would've known where the direction of his character was going before he signed on. If results are unflattering then he too must shoulder some of the blame, because that would mean he traded the integrity of his Batman for a quick buck.

[The Laughing Fish]

If the DCEU semi-reboot rumors are true, what happens to Cyborg? Because if Ray Fisher is canonically erased after the last 18 months, that would look... not great to anyone who isn't paid by WarnerMedia.

https://twitter.com/ViewerAnon/status/1477476637960810499

I agree with what he says in this tweet, but I thought this guy supposedly knows what's going with this movie?

Meanwhile, Ezra Miller was allegedly asked by a fan via a DM on Instagram if the rumours of the Snyderverse getting erased was true, and he apparently says it's bogus. I can't tell though if this screenshot is legit or not.



https://twitter.com/FlashFilmNews/status/1477522609789190146

After the whole Josstice L fiasco, I've learned by now to never take actors' word for anything. Four years ago, the cast had praised Whedon for finishing Snyder's story, and look how that turned out.

[thecolorsblend]

Since everyone else is chiming in...

Not to alarm anyone, but my worst fear, the absolute worst case scenario we might be facing here, is that DC and WB are trying to purge the ranks of the Justice League of all straight white male heroes and replace them with diverse substitutes. If that's the case, then I can see them introducing an alternate timeline in which Shannon's Zod defeated Superman and Supergirl has to step up to take his place, and in which Batgirl has to seize the mantle of the bat from an old emasculated broken-down Bruce Wayne. This would be full Justice League Woke territory, positioning Supergirl and Batgirl as the new World's Finest, but I can't believe the studio would be reckless or insane enough to do it. Not when there's room for Superman, Supergirl, Batman and Batgirl to co-exist with equal dignity. Such an approach would destroy any goodwill garnered by Keaton's return and condemn the entire DCEU to ruin. So I don't really think it will happen. But it is a frightening possibility.

We're going there, huh?

Originally, I didn't feel like responding to this. As you may recall, I've got a bit of a sour taste in my mouth about all things superhero these days. And certain other members here have gone overboard on the doom-saying and the nasty prognostications. So, what else was left?

But to your point tho, you use the word "possibility". If we're being honest, "likelihood" probably would've been the better word. My view is that it's just a matter of time until this happens. And since forum rules probably prevent us from speaking entirely openly about this issue, maybe it's enough to say that this course of action is inevitable. Even if it doesn't happen with Flashpoint (or whatever this thing is called), it will happen.

In fact, I've even wondered if this agenda isn't partly the reason behind the Snyderverse antipathy at WB.

Bottom line, this is coming. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it's coming. Be sure of that. As I said some other time, this is the main reason I'm not vocally demanding a Batman Beyond film. Because we all know which direction they'll go with Terry McGinnis. Without getting too specific, a live action version in 2022 won't look, sound or behave very much like Will Friedle.

[The Laughing Fish]

As I said some other time, this is the main reason I'm not vocally demanding a Batman Beyond film. Because we all know which direction they'll go with Terry McGinnis. Without getting too specific, a live action version in 2022 won't look, sound or behave very much like Will Friedle.

If the rumours of Keaton's Bruce training the likes of Batgirl and Black Canary are true, it's probably now unlikely that Batman Beyond with Terry McGinnis will ever happen. I'm not even sure if ANY version of Batman Beyond will see the light of day, because the rumours surrounding Keaton sound like they're trying to reverse roles, with Bruce serving the role as Oracle and Batgirl is Batman's replacement.

What a clusterf***.

I saw this tweet by the unofficial Flash Film News account giving an update on the alleged Ezra Miller DM screenshot.

Some have taken this as debunking yesterday's reports & that wasn't our intent. The rumors are true. #TheFlash will establish a new DCEU universe. However, this new continuity will preserve the world that Snyder built⚡️

https://www.twitter.com/FlashFilmNews/status/1477662652738543623

Again, what a clusterf***!

Even if the Snyderverse doesn't get erased, does anyone seriously trust their ability to create a new DC timeline after hearing all of these rumours?

This movie is dead on arrival.

[The Laughing Fish]

Those shill douchebags at the blog site Heroic Hollywood entertained the latest rumours by Grace Randolph:

Could this be the new DCEU trinity?

https://www.twitter.com/heroichollywood/status/1477447151156449280

No thank you. I'm not interested in seeing the World's Finest getting gender-swapped by Emmerich and co looking to cover their discriminating asses. Nor am I interested in the idea of Keaton's Bruce becoming the male equivalent of Oracle to satisfy such an agenda.

[Travesty]

lol, I wish I could say, "I can't believe this is true", but I totally can. I also wish I could be angry about this, but it's just par for the course now. I just have to laugh at it and not support this in any way.

Such a monumentally bad idea. lol

[The Dark Knight]

lol, I wish I could say, "I can't believe this is true", but I totally can. I also wish I could be angry about this, but it's just par for the course now. I just have to laugh at it and not support this in any way.

Such a monumentally bad idea. lol

This is the best way to be. I'm largely numb to the modern clown world now, and merely look at things as a detached observer. Spider-Man: No Way Home wasn't entirely to my liking, but the handling of their characters is light years better than what The Flash apparently offers. I'm still curious to see Keaton's initial scenes, but the gut punch is knowing it leads to girl power and diversity. Despite that, I still have the front seat in The Pattinson Train. I've had it even before day one. Bravo to Matt Reeves for ensuring his continuity is completely disconnected from the twisted metal DCEU.

[The Laughing Fish]

As much as I despise TMZ for being the gossip dumpster fire they are, props to them for reporting the general consensus towards these rumours:

You can hop onto the Twitter-verse yourself and read up on how folks are reacting to this would-be news ... and you'll quickly see, they think Warner is sticking its head in the sand on what the people really want.

And that would be ... more Superman, more Batman and more of what Snyder teased before stepping away from DC.

https://web.archive.org/web/20220103165213/https://www.tmz.com/2022/01/02/dceu-future-flash-rumors-affleck-cavill-batman-superman-warner-bros/

I've seen very few people who are excited by these rumours, even among the anti-Snyder camp.

If these rumours are true then I'm convinced Toxic WB are trying to damage DC as a viable IP. But even if the rumours are false, The Flash has a dark cloud hanging all over it thanks to WB's gross mismanagement. The people in charge of that studio need to GTFO.

[thecolorsblend]

I think it says a lot that even if these rumors are total bs, nobody is putting it past WB to pull something like this.

If I'm the head of a major movie studio and I see that fans -- ostensibly my core audience -- are expecting the worst from me, I would consider that a problem that needs to be solved asap.