The Flash (2022)

Started by Silver Nemesis, Fri, 21 Aug 2020, 14:35

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Leto and Cavill are happy to share the screen with their replacements.

The absolute state of the DCEU...

It is once again being stressed that Keaton is Batman in Batgirl. GWW.com (geeks worldwide) has mentioned it. So, we're dealing with a serious retcon. Post crisis DCEU.

Quote from: Gotham Knight on Mon, 15 Nov  2021, 20:52
It is once again being stressed that Keaton is Batman in Batgirl. GWW.com (geeks worldwide) has mentioned it. So, we're dealing with a serious retcon. Post crisis DCEU.

As I said before, if this happens then Keaton isn't playing Tim Burton's Batman anymore. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Mon, 15 Nov  2021, 02:22
Leto and Cavill are happy to share the screen with their replacements.

The absolute state of the DCEU...

The DCEU stopped being a thing when Josstice L came out, and Warner Butchers started producing movies that are loosely connected, at best. What we have we have now is a franchise with a continuity that's even more broken than Fox's X-Men movies.

Don't be fooled, IF The Flash reboots the DC timeline it will continue to cause more problems. That sh*t will only break the Burtonverse, mark my words.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: Gotham Knight on Mon, 15 Nov  2021, 20:52
It is once again being stressed that Keaton is Batman in Batgirl. GWW.com (geeks worldwide) has mentioned it. So, we're dealing with a serious retcon. Post crisis DCEU.
Not surprised in the slightest. It was obvious this was going to happen. Anything else was wishful thinking.

Tue, 16 Nov 2021, 04:07 #355 Last Edit: Tue, 16 Nov 2021, 13:49 by The Laughing Fish
One of the Batgirl directors uploaded this Batfleck meme on Instagram, and then deleted it.



This is the second time they posted Batfleck-related images. This either means they're hinting he is in Batgirl...or it's a meaningless meme.

I'm frankly getting sick of this. Batgirl is supposed to film soon and get released before The Flash comes out. If that's the plan then they should simply come out and say which Batman will be in it. If it's Affleck then say so. If its Keaton playing a likely bastardised, unrecognisable version of his own Batman then say so.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

JK Simmons was interviewed about Batgirl. He films in January. He appears to be operating under the impression that Ben Affleck is still Batman. I personally believe that this is the case. I think the info about Keaton is stuff that was culled from official ideas that were on the table, but did not carry forward, which is why all the 'insiders' were so adamant.

Here are some quotes by Kiersey Clemons on her return as Iris West.

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"It didn't feel real," Clemons revealed. "None of it. From the day I started to the day that I wrapped. Because we waited so long that I was like, "I'm not really here right now." It felt very- it felt weird. I'm not gonna lie. It felt weird because it's been a long time. Yeah. Iris has grown up and is a different version than what I may have had an idea of who she would be. It was just a discovery and it was really exciting."

"Honestly, it's been so long," Clemons added. "I initially came on to the movie excited to work with who was the director at the time [Rick Famuyiwa], but also excited to be in a superhero movie. Now, it's less about the movie. I'm excited for Andy, who's our director now, but now it's more so, I'm excited for the people who are excited, and who have been commenting on my photos "Iris West" for five years. Like, are you joking? This is for them.

She's more excited about the fans who are looking forward to the movie than the movie itself? Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but that doesn't sound very encouraging.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211201070156/https://comicbook.com/dc/news/the-flash-star-kiersey-clemons-director-changes-movie/

Meanwhile, Batgirl composer Natalie Holt teased a police jacket that will appear in the movie. The police crest not only shares continuity with The Flash, it also appears on the patrol cars in Affleck's Batcycle chase scene.





https://www.instagram.com/p/CW8teJ-tiCz/

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19472703.batman-streets-glasgow-filming-hollywood-flick-flash/

With JK Simmons reprising his role as Commissioner Gordon, this might yet be another indication that Affleck is in Batgirl too. I say might because you never know with this studio.

If that police crest is in the same universe as Batfleck and Batgirl, it's a change from the BvS one:

QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: Gotham Knight on Wed, 24 Nov  2021, 19:32
JK Simmons was interviewed about Batgirl. He films in January. He appears to be operating under the impression that Ben Affleck is still Batman. I personally believe that this is the case. I think the info about Keaton is stuff that was culled from official ideas that were on the table, but did not carry forward, which is why all the 'insiders' were so adamant.
This comment from Simmons strengthens my belief Keaton will be the Bruce Wayne in Batgirl:

"I was as surprised as I was when [Marvel] came back to ask me to do [Jameson] that they were coming to me to play Batgirl's father, Commissioner Gordon again, in this new version of the universe. We've already had lots of discussions about the script and how to play everything. I'm excited by the cast and the directors and ... looking forward to diving back into the DC multiverse."

It's odd that they still haven't confirmed who's playing Batman in the Batgirl film. The studio has confirmed who's playing Babs, Gordon and Firefly, but not Batman. There are two reasons I can think of why they might be keeping this particular piece of casting under wraps:

1)   The studio itself doesn't know who's playing Batman. Whether it's Keaton or Affleck, perhaps the actor hasn't signed on the dotted line yet. Remember how Keaton flip-flopped on both Spider-Man: Homecoming and The Flash, dragging his feet and claiming that he might not do them? He could be adopting a similar negotiating strategy now. Or maybe Affleck's the one who's undecided about returning after he announced he was done with the role. Either way, the actor might not have committed yet. However this seems extremely unlikely at this point, since they've already begun filming. Unless Batman's appearance is just a very brief cameo.

2)   The identity of the actor playing Batman might create a major spoiler for the plot of The Flash. This seems the more likely explanation to me, and it would support my theory that Keaton is playing a new version of Batman reborn from the Burtonverse incarnation. Alternatively, it could be the case that the rumours of Batfleck dying are false and they don't want the fans to know about it yet. At any rate, the secrecy surrounding the identity of Batman is probably related to the storyline of The Flash.

It could go either way, but for now I'm sticking with my original theory: the Burton Batman will probably die in The Flash, as the Flashpoint Batman did in the original comic, and then the movie will end with a new Batman being introduced in the DCEU that will also be played by Keaton.