Tim Burton and Batman TAS

[The Laughing Fish]

If there was one thing that Keaton improved upon for Returns it was the voice. It sounds like he had a better handle on it the second time around.

You reckon? I thought his voice sounded fine in both films. Personally, I even prefer how he speaks in B89 only because he had more lines where he came across as chilling when it was appropriate e.g. when he spoke to Vicki in the Batcave and how he confronted the Joker - "I made you...you made me first".

Anyway, I see Dan Riba laughing with the hosts about the scene he storyboarded in MOTP, where Bruce draws a smile on the photo of the Valestra mob hitman and realises he is the Joker. But I think that scene is brilliant! Sure, the concept might sound ridiculous, but as far as animation goes, it works so well. It goes to show that cartoons are the perfect medium for that sort of simplistic, yet creative plot twist. The exaggerated character design of the Joker allows the drawing on the picture to make sense.

[eledoremassis02]

The only thing that bothered me in that scene was the fact he used a color pencil on a photo paper lol

[Silver Nemesis]

[thecolorsblend]

Very insightful. I never connected the lack of origin stories for the Joker, Penguin and Catwoman with Burton's own creative decisions. Seems kind of obvious, looking back at it now.

Somewhere along the line, I got the idea that Bruce Timm just full-stop didn't like the Burton films so the clarification there was instructive.

[BatmanFurst]

Very insightful. I never connected the lack of origin stories for the Joker, Penguin and Catwoman with Burton's own creative decisions. Seems kind of obvious, looking back at it now.

Somewhere along the line, I got the idea that Bruce Timm just full-stop didn't like the Burton films so the clarification there was instructive.

I'm not sure if Timm is a fan of any of the live action Batman's. I got the idea that he didn't like Returns hence the Penguin's design change in the revamp. However, I didn't know that he didn't care for the 89 film as a whole.

[thecolorsblend]

Very insightful. I never connected the lack of origin stories for the Joker, Penguin and Catwoman with Burton's own creative decisions. Seems kind of obvious, looking back at it now.

Somewhere along the line, I got the idea that Bruce Timm just full-stop didn't like the Burton films so the clarification there was instructive.

I would also say that I would be interested in this guy's thoughts on Schumacher's influence on TNBA

[BatmanFurst]

Very insightful. I never connected the lack of origin stories for the Joker, Penguin and Catwoman with Burton's own creative decisions. Seems kind of obvious, looking back at it now.

Somewhere along the line, I got the idea that Bruce Timm just full-stop didn't like the Burton films so the clarification there was instructive.

I would also say that I would be interested in this guy's thoughts on Schumacher's influence on TNBA

What influence? Aside from them poking fun at Schumacher in Legends of the Dark Knight, I don't see much influence.

[thecolorsblend]

Very insightful. I never connected the lack of origin stories for the Joker, Penguin and Catwoman with Burton's own creative decisions. Seems kind of obvious, looking back at it now.

Somewhere along the line, I got the idea that Bruce Timm just full-stop didn't like the Burton films so the clarification there was instructive.

I would also say that I would be interested in this guy's thoughts on Schumacher's influence on TNBA

What influence? Aside from them poking fun at Schumacher in Legends of the Dark Knight, I don't see much influence.

The inclusion of Batgirl in every episode, a heavier emphasis on costumed supervillains in garish costumes, an overall lighter and more kid-friendly tone, more colorful character and set designs, more larger than life setpieces (instead of showdowns in yet another dark warehouse) and the other things never raised any questions for you?

Interesting.

[BatmanFurst]

Very insightful. I never connected the lack of origin stories for the Joker, Penguin and Catwoman with Burton's own creative decisions. Seems kind of obvious, looking back at it now.

Somewhere along the line, I got the idea that Bruce Timm just full-stop didn't like the Burton films so the clarification there was instructive.

I would also say that I would be interested in this guy's thoughts on Schumacher's influence on TNBA

What influence? Aside from them poking fun at Schumacher in Legends of the Dark Knight, I don't see much influence.

The inclusion of Batgirl in every episode, a heavier emphasis on costumed supervillains in garish costumes, an overall lighter and more kid-friendly tone, more colorful character and set designs, more larger than life setpieces (instead of showdowns in yet another dark warehouse) and the other things never raised any questions for you?

Interesting.

Not really. The Batgirl thing didn't feel put on just because the character was introduced in the previous series/season which I believe was before the Schumacher films. The New Batman Adventures is weird in that it is simultaneously more brutal and more cartoony. The action is more intense with blood and some episodes like Mad Love and Over the Edge are some of the darkest episodes of the entire series, but then you'll also get something like the Farmer Brown episode.

[The Dark Knight]

The Burton aesthetic was transferred, but BTAS being more 'balanced' in contrast to BR doesn't rub me the wrong way. BTAS is very much more of a B89 inspired show in terms of tone and style, and they essentially use B89's Joker origin in Mask of the Phantasm. The Burton films were the platform to make it all possible, even if members of the creative team had other preferences.