Release the Ayer Cut?

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David Ayer tagged AT&T in his response to Jared Leto's support for releasing the Ayer cut.

Exactly what streaming is for. If you own IP and you have a mandate to monetize it from your shareholders that's exactly what you do 💁🏻‍♂️ @ATT

https://www.twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/1461758501508636673

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Jay Hernandez uploaded a gif to approve Leto's endorsement for the Ayer cut.

https://twitter.com/jay_hernandez/status/1461615718726713345/

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I saw this POS, garbage article on Slash Film trying to argue why the Ayer cut shouldn't be released.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211209174100/https://www.slashfilm.com/681500/releasing-the-ayer-cut-or-why-giving-the-fans-what-they-want-isnt-actually-a-good-idea/

There is a lot of misinformation in this trash, but what really grinds my gears is this sh*t right here:

Unfortunately, It Sets a Dangerous Precedent

#ReleaseTheSnyderCut was a success in the sense that a movie was made, but the toxic fan culture that came with it absolutely tarnished any success the movie had. Allowing for the release of the film opened the floodgates, with fans getting louder and more vicious in an attempt to have their demands met. "Snyderbros" review-bombed "Godzilla vs. Kong" in retaliation of Warner Bros. decision not to make additional DC superhero movies from Zack Snyder.

Sarnoff certainly doesn't have the patience for this brand of "fandom" saying:

We're not tolerating any of that. That behavior is reprehensible no matter what franchise you're talking about or what business you're talking about. It's completely unacceptable. I'm very disappointed in the fans that have chosen to go to that negative place with regard to DC, with regard to some of our executives. It's just disappointing because we want this to be a safe place to be. We want DC to be a fandom that feels safe and inclusive. We want people to be able to speak up for the things they love, but we don't want it to be a culture of canceling things that any small faction isn't happy with. We are not about that. We are about positivity and celebration.

"ToXiC fAn CuLtUrE"...last time I checked, "Snyderbros" (what a way to misgender an entire fanbase, as if only men are fans of Snyder's DC films), never sent death threats to critics who gave their beloved movies negative reviews, like Dark Knight Rises fanboys did back in 2012. Unlike the alleged "review-bombing" of GvK on IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes had to temporarily shut down comments because the abuse critics received over Rises was so severe.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/rotten-tomatoes-dark-knight-rises-351124/

Looking back, the RT editor-in-chief Matt Atchity who made the decision to close the comments temporarily, was also the same scumbag who once tweeted "the Lego Batman was so good, that everyone involved making BvS should be punched in the face", so he's another hypocrite. Once again, where is this concern over editors encouraging violence against people who made movies he didn't like? Why is THAT not considered "toxic" and "cruel"?

Anyway, I remember there was also abuse directed at David Denby of The New York Times when he gave a negative review to TDK back in 2008. To be fair, he did make some rather insensitive comments about Heath Ledger's legacy as an actor so I don't have too much sympathy for him, but it doesn't change the fact that some people were very hostile towards anyone who didn't think TDK was the greatest thing since slice bread.

Of course, the Nolan fanboys aren't the only guilty party out there, there was controversy over Avengers fans abusing critics for not giving the 2012 film good reviews. This is just one example.

https://www.indiewire.com/2012/04/fans-who-attack-critics-of-the-avengers-completely-miss-the-point-of-the-avengers-129982/

Hostile sh*theads exist in every fandom, and have been for a very long time. Here's the thing though: the word "toxic" was not in the public discourse back in 2008 and 2012, or even long before that. This stupid buzzword only came to prominence only in the mid-to-late 2010s, but it's normally used with an agenda behind it. If hack bloggers like this Slash Film imbecile had any integrity, they would've condemned this bad behaviour even further. Instead, the word "toxic" that's spoken among these bloggers. Sometimes it's used against people who disliked Ghostbusters 2016 or the Disney Star Wars trilogy, but more often than not, I notice they use that word to focus on anything Snyderverse-related. Unsurprisingly, Snyder is a man who they have it out for, and Ayer is targeted simply by association. So this whole "dangerous precedent" is complete and utter bullsh*t. Other fandoms have done far worse than what Snyderverse fans have done, and yet, we don't see these bloggers holding Nolan accountable or calling for the MCU to be cancelled.

Plus, this joke of a blog has even less credibility when it quotes Ann Sarnoff, who is nothing more but an Emmerich mouthpiece and enabler of an abusive workplace culture, as we've read what Ray Fisher and Ruby Rose have revealed publicly. She is in no position to lecture anyone about toxicity.

As for ZSJL not being a success, this pathetic blogger certainly comes across as being paid off by Emmerich and co. Unlike TSS, ZSJL didn't have a theatrical release, and yet, it has been reported to be a Blu Ray/home video and digital download top seller throughout the year - outselling TSS - and was recognised as a "global phenomenom" by the WarnerMedia international branch during a promotion for HBO Max's debut in Europe.

https://www.mediaplaynews.com/zack-snyders-justice-league-dominates-disc-sales/

This fan on Twitter compiled all the reports on how well ZSJL has performed across various streaming services worldwide and its home video/download sales throughout the whole year.
https://twitter.com/BobDigi69/status/1387431461284876293

And here is this marketing agency reporting the social media engagement over the movie, praising ZSJL as a success.
https://homebrewagency.com/projects/case-study/zack-snyder-s-justice-league

TSS, on the other hand, for all the good reviews it got, ended up flopping at the box office. This article also neglects to mention the Peacemaker spin-off got produced before TSS came out. Peacemaker had been promoted online throughout 2020, which means the studio thought TSS was going to be a guaranteed financial success. Big mistake. If Warner Butchers want to keep losing money, by all means go ahead. But I, for one, would rather watching Harley Quinn undergo an empowering character arc that David Ayer was offering than watch her make jokes about feces, semen and dicks.

Finally, there's this bullsh*t:

Completely putting aside the tragic situation that caused Snyder to leave the project and therefore allowing for a complete justification for wanting to give him the space to create the film that was ultimately taken from him for reasons beyond his control, the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut campaign was overwhelmingly not operating from a place of empathy for the director, but instead fan entitlement. The release of Snyder's "Justice League" was not viewed as a success for the director in their minds, but instead vindication for their extremely loud and downright cruel fanbase. The day HBO announced the film would be released, there were less excited comments about what this means for Snyder and his story, instead replaced by a flood of fans exclaiming, "We did it!" This was proof that if you complain enough and harass enough people, you can get whatever you want, and that's dangerous.

Right, the #ReleaseTheSnyderCut fanbase were "so cruel", that many of them donated money to raise awareness for suicide prevention. What horrible people.

https://afsp.org/story/thank-you-to-the-releasethesnydercut-movement-for-raising-500k-for-suicide-prevention

But even if there are fans who didn't donate any money to charity, that doesn't negate their efforts in showing support of a director and whose vision they were fond of, in the face of onslaught of so-called "critics" who decided to cross the line between criticism and ad hominem attacks. That includes enabling mocking of Autumn Snyder's suicide. That's what "We did it!" means.

If you ask me what's really dangerous, it's disingenuous bloggers and critics who argue against movies in bad faith, and movie studios thinking they can sabotage directors' productions however they like, regardless of the circumstances. Even more so gaslighting and projecting fans over abuse, while desperately trying to cover up stories of abuse behind the scenes of films you reshot. Which is more cruel and toxic to you? Fans showing support for movies they want to see and defending a director against unjustified vitriol, or a hostile studio who cares very little about its own creatives, let alone the fans?

People can complain about fan entitlement, but unless they start crossing the line with severe personal attacks, i.e. sending death threats to people, there's nothing wrong with demanding what you want. As Batfleck's stunt double once said, there's no industry without fans.

As far as Suicide Squad is concerned, if it's going to have a future, the releasing the Ayer cut is a good place to start. Whether these hypocritical bloggers care to admit or not.

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David Ayer shared a new shot of Enchantress during the third act from his cut.



This shot is a lot more vibrant than the Studio Squad version, which was all washed out.

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New photos were released, courtesy of Clay Enos' website.











The Tattoo Man never pointed a gun to Harley's head in the studio cut. I remember Ayer once said the Joker had intimidated and manipulated the guy into killing himself; the studio version of his death had been reshot with Joker shooting him instead.

I read that Griggs, the dickhead guard played by Ike Barinholtz, was supposed to be a lot more sadistic and mistreated the prisoners in the Ayer cut, and his confrontation with Joker was supposed to be his untimely demise. I can only guess Joker laughed right after he said "I can't wait to show you my toys".

The Joker in the white tuxedo jacket looks good when Photoshopped with Batfleck.

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Will Smith already expressed his enthusiasm to return to the Deadshot role awhile ago, and now he has endorsed the calls to release the Ayer cut.

There's a whole lot that stayed on the floor for Suicide Squad. I'm into it. I'd love to see it. I love that world. I love what was created in both versions. I absolutely would love to.

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/will-smith-david-ayer-cut-suicide-squad-bel-air-1235176672/

It might seem to be a generic statement, but hey, any endorsement for the Ayer cut is a positive.

In the meantime, this tweet by David Ayer is yet another reminder of why Geoff Johns should stay the hell away from writing screenplays.

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A scene from the Ayer cut has been released. It's only ten seconds long, but it shows the difference between David's take on Joker compared to the lovesick puppy we saw in the theatrical cut.

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Clint Eastwood's son Scott revealed he took his dad's advice to turn down the offer to return for future sequels, because the studio weren't going to pay him anything. Scott mentioned his character Edwards got a more substantial role in the Ayer cut.

https://www.insider.com/scott-eastwood-turned-down-suicide-squad-sequel-2022-2

[eledoremassis02]

That is definly much better

I checked the reshot version and noticed some terrible ADR at

3:03. Jokers mouth isnt even moving lol

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Yeah I rewatched the Studio Squad clip of Joker retrieving Harley Quinn via helicopter. The ADR was undeniably awful. Amateur hour.

I saw this screenshot of Adam Beach saying Slipknot has some backstory that didn't make the final cut.