Will the Snyder cut appear on HBO Max?

Started by The Laughing Fish, Fri, 7 Feb 2020, 10:52

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Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 18 Mar  2021, 23:52
There is a lot to unpack with this movie. But until later (say Monday?), I think it would only be fair to avoid spoilers for now so that others can cruise around here freely.
I'm speaking in general terms for the time being, as well.

I noticed a couple missing scenes that Snyder may have filmed, but think it was a tonal decision and to provide a point of difference to the theatrical cut. I'm cool with that, as the scenes are found in the trailers anyway, and look at all we gained. More thoughts:

All the stuff I hated about Whedon's cut is gone.
Snyder celebrates the DC universe in a way other directors have not.
The tone is consistent.
More connective tissue with BvS, making it feel like a true sequel.
Genuine sincerity among the team, especially with Aquaman expressing concern.
The Flash comes across better here, jokey but more relatable and focused.
Wonder Woman gets a very strong showing. This is how she's meant to be.
Alfred is minimally used but highly effective. Entertaining scenarios and dialogue.
I enjoyed Cyborg and his father a lot more than expected.

Not sure if I prefer this or BvS yet. I'm leaning on the side of BvS given I really appreciated that intensity. But this is a very strong sequel and one I'm glad we now have.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Fri, 19 Mar  2021, 00:39
Not sure if I prefer this or BvS yet. I'm leaning on the side of BvS given I really appreciated that intensity. But this is a very strong sequel and one I'm glad we now have.
I enjoy BVS's focus and unrelenting gotterdammerung. It's the Super Friends as interpreted by Wagner. It's almost operatic at points.

I love ZSJL. And who knows, I might change my mind in the future. But if I had to call it right now, I'd say BVS will always be #1 on my list because it's a direct sequel to MOS and it leads directly ZSJL. It's the centerpiece of the movie series and it's just amazing.

Fri, 19 Mar 2021, 01:28 #382 Last Edit: Fri, 19 Mar 2021, 01:33 by The Dark Knight
I'm a LOTR fan. I finished my re-read about a week ago and focused on the extended edition movies before that. ZSJL is the closest a comic book movie has come to being true mythology. Exotic lands with rich history, full of various different cultures and customs. I enjoy that type of thing.

Superman isn't in the film that much, but we need to consider he was established with the previous two films. Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg didn't have that, and thus get a lion's share of the screen time. When Superman does arrive it's what I was hoping for.

The new Knightmare does feel a little tacked on and will throw people off initially. But it's a good scene, especially with what Batman has to say. The way Snyder transitions from the Knightmare clears up any confusion and once again calls back to BvS. Even if ZSJL is the end of the road, the way the camera pulled away left me feeling at peace. 


I watched it again, and it's even better the second time around.

I liked the sequencing before, but seeing it all again with a calmer mind demonstrated to me the flow is just about spot on for a film this size. For example, Bruce boards a plane, and it's logical that a flight takes time. So we don't see him for a bit. But we later check in onboard the cabin, then more narratives are progressed. But in that little cabin scene know what Bruce will be doing when he lands. But only after his target is given a lengthy introductory sequence.

With so many characters it's unavoidable having a bunch of balls hanging in the air at any one time, but these balls aren't left hanging for too long. If you keep watching the questions one has are answered fairly soon. Not all big films can execute that juggle as skilfully.

The ultimate edition of BvS was an improvement over the Theatrical, but this is a whole other level.

Let's talk turkey about the future.

At this point, I think it's fair to say ZSJL has pushed the door wide open. The movie sets up Flashpoint and Affleck's cancelled solo Batman film pretty much perfectly. And the desire to see a follow up to ZSJL is very real.

I wasn't sure it would be this way. But considering the incredible buzz ZSJL has generated, The Powers That Be would have to be pretty stupid to not be having conversations about how best to continue this thing now.

And that opens up a lot of challenges, if you ask me. How do you make a mega budget blockbuster in today's market? Theaters are still down for the count and it doesn't look like that will change any time soon. Maybe the problem is that I don't fully understand the streaming distribution model. But I just don't see how $200+ million movie can turn a profit rn. Streaming and Blu-Ray can only take you so far.

There's also the fact that Zack Snyder Doesn't Want to Make Another Comic Book Movie- https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-comic-book-movie-future-plans-response

But aside from that stuff, fans and audiences have largely embraced ZSJL. Go back and read my old posts. I thought for certain that critics were already sharpening their axes for ZSJL months ago. But 75% on Rotten Tomatoes is over twice what BVS got and nearly twice what Josstice League got. So, it looks like I was wrong there.

There's reason to believe that genuine conversations are taking place rn regarding continuing what ZSJL set up. I'm up for it. But I see a lot of challenges too.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Fri, 19 Mar  2021, 15:19
There's also the fact that Zack Snyder Doesn't Want to Make Another Comic Book Movie- https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-comic-book-movie-future-plans-response
Zack deliberately didn't get paid to maintain leverage. He's thought things through. It would be extremely fitting if the studio, or HBO Max, I'll take either one, got on their hands and knees to beg Zack to come back and restore the Snyderverse. Saying he doesn't want to make another CBM is 'the dread game' in action.

Zack Snyder uploaded a video to thanks the fans for their support and tuning in to watch ZSJL, via the official Snyder cut Twitter page.

https://www.twitter.com/snydercut/status/1373080726485282818

Take the following info with a grain of salt, but on the day before the film was released, Mikey Sutton of Geekosity claims there are plans for a JL sequel, and WB may want it in theatres.

https://geekositymag.com/wb-considering-zack-snyders-justice-league-2-for-theatrical-release/

Any plans for a sequels, according to what I read from insiders online, would depend on how HBO Max's subscriber count goes thanks to interest in ZSJL, how many views it gets and how it sells digitally and on home video. And if Snyder is right when he said the US, and Asian and European countries had their HBO platforms crashing because they couldn't cope with the demand, then that could be another factor to consider.

I'm skeptical WB would want to have any sequels in theatres because of the constant bad press they've gotten ever since opting with Josstice League in 2017. But let's wait and see.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 20 Mar  2021, 02:18
Zack Snyder uploaded a video to thanks the fans for their support and tuning in to watch ZSJL, via the official Snyder cut Twitter page.

https://www.twitter.com/snydercut/status/1373080726485282818

Take the following info with a grain of salt, but on the day before the film was released, Mikey Sutton of Geekosity claims there are plans for a JL sequel, and WB may want it in theatres.

https://geekositymag.com/wb-considering-zack-snyders-justice-league-2-for-theatrical-release/

Any plans for a sequels, according to what I read from insiders online, would depend on how HBO Max's subscriber count goes thanks to interest in ZSJL, how many views it gets and how it sells digitally and on home video. And if Snyder is right when he said the US, and Asian and European countries had their HBO platforms crashing because they couldn't cope with the demand, then that could be another factor to consider.

I'm skeptical WB would want to have any sequels in theatres because of the constant bad press they've gotten ever since opting with Josstice League in 2017. But let's wait and see.
TDK suggested that Snyder was being coy when I posted a bit about how he doesn't want to make comic movies anymore.

I said my piece, he said his, that's that. Or so I thought.

But now, it seems like Snyder is entertaining the idea of ZSJL2.

https://comicbook.com/dc/news/zack-snyder-wants-justice-league-2-sequel

So, hats off to TDK, I guess. Seems like he might've called it. There's a long road between that article and ZSJL2's premiere, obviously. But clearly, one step has been taken by Snyder himself.

Sat, 20 Mar 2021, 06:57 #389 Last Edit: Sat, 20 Mar 2021, 07:24 by The Dark Knight
Zack knows the enthusiasm levels for his universe are high. Do you think a leader with that much clout is going to disappoint his followers if there's a serious offer of a continuation? Not a chance.

It's just about getting that offer.

If this is an ideological battle, Zack is being vindicated as we speak. ZSJL was deemed unwatchable, but right now it's being praised left and right. If this is a financial battle, Zack is being vindicated there as well. WB did Zack dirty. As I said, it would be extremely satisfying if he, the outcast, had them crawl back to him. It would be one of the most remarkable long games in entertainment history.

ZSJL is out of the bottle now. The world has seen it, and the drums are only going to get louder about what happens next. And if nothing happens, they're going to want a worthwhile explanation why. That may prove to be more difficult to answer than the studio expected.