Will the Snyder cut appear on HBO Max?

[BatmanFurst]

What "sh*tty stuff" happened? To whom? By whom? All due respect to Momoa but he's being no more specific than Fisher. I'm not saying either of them are wrong or lying or anything. But it's time to make specific accusations against specific people about specific wrongdoing already.

The situation is starting to remind me of Franz Kafka's novel The Trial, in which the main protagonist is informed he's being tried by a mysterious court that's independent of the state judiciary, but they won't tell him what specific crime he's being charged with. Consequently he's forced to mount a legal defence without even knowing what it is he's meant to have done wrong. I'm not saying Fisher's a liar or that the folks at WB are innocent (I'll wait for the full facts before rendering judgement), only that the trial-by-Twitter approach is very Kafkaesque.

Last year really opened my eyes to how ridiculous that approach really is. There was a documentary released called "Leaving Neverland" that I found to be very compelling. A lot of people on Twitter supported the two subjects of the documentary, and the two men were put on talk shows to to discuss the trauma of child sexual abuse. Oprah even gathered a whole crowd of CSA victims to do a q&a with the the two men from the film. Shortly after that it came to light that multiple aspects of the accusers stories didn't add up or were flat out lies. Even after this Oprah refused to apologize, and there are people who still believe both of these men's stories. For me it was a wake up call. Innocent until PROVEN guilty is there for a reason. That's what separates us from people doing witch hunts. I'm not believing or disbelieving Ray Fisher's story until evidence comes out.

[The Dark Knight]

The situation is starting to remind me of Franz Kafka's novel The Trial, in which the main protagonist is informed he's being tried by a mysterious court that's independent of the state judiciary, but they won't tell him what specific crime he's being charged with. Consequently he's forced to mount a legal defence without even knowing what it is he's meant to have done wrong. I'm not saying Fisher's a liar or that the folks at WB are innocent (I'll wait for the full facts before rendering judgement), only that the trial-by-Twitter approach is very Kafkaesque.

Yep. I say push it out now or get off the toilet. I read elsewhere he claims the Batfleck announcement was done to cover up his tweets. To which I say "prove it", and even if proven (it can't be because nobody is a mind reader), I say "and?" If WB can come out with a Cavill announcement to apparently cover up Fisher's newer posts I'd sure appreciate it right now. If we go by this logic, is Ray 'guilty' of trying to smother the hype for Zack's movie? If serious crimes exist, please get the facts out there Ray. The longer this drags on my skepticism increases.

Innocent until PROVEN guilty is there for a reason. That's what separates us from people doing witch hunts. I'm not believing or disbelieving Ray Fisher's story until evidence comes out.

I dislike Whedon a lot but deep down I know this is a very important thing to remember. I just wish the likes of Whedon remembered it, too.

[The Laughing Fish]

Yep. I say push it out now or get off the toilet. I read elsewhere he claims the Batfleck announcement was done to cover up his tweets. To which I say "prove it", and even if proven (it can't be because nobody is a mind reader), I say "and?" If WB can come out with a Cavill announcement to apparently cover up Fisher's newer posts I'd sure appreciate it right now. If we go by this logic, is Ray 'guilty' of trying to smother the hype for Zack's movie? If serious crimes exist, please get the facts out there Ray. The longer this drags on my skepticism increases.

You say this despite the fact the whole Snyder cut saga started because WB lied to everyone about the reshoots, as well as Momoa debunking their latest lie. I guess Momoa should be treated with skepticism too, going by your logic?

If anything, nobody should be giving WB the benefit of the doubt anymore. Besides, from what I understand, the actors are encouraged to be vague as possible because of legal complications involved in the investigation. It definitely should never have come to this, but that goes to show what an awful basketcase WB has been in the last few years. Don't blame the actors, blame the rotten studio that caused this debacle in the first place.

I can't stress how many times that place needs to be cleaned up.

[The Laughing Fish]

WarnerMedia is investigating all facets of its workplace culture following recent controversies with Ellen DeGeneres and other productions. Let's hope this includes what happened behind the scenes on JL.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warnermedia-leaders-concerned-and-disappointed-with-internal-culture-reports-memos-say

Meanwhile, The Cultured Nerd has claimed a scoop: Henry Cavill has allegedly signed a new deal to continue playing Superman.

https://theculturednerd.org/2020/09/exclusive-henry-cavill-signs-new-superman-film-deal/

I would normally take this with a grain of salt, but Cavill's agent posted this artwork by BossLogic on her Instagram story.



And apparently, Jim Lee liked the post too.

https://twitter.com/WhiteWolf_14/status/1307017302391640065

Is it a coincidence, since Cavill was rumoured to return for future cameos in DC films? Is it possible that TCN's scoop is true? We'll have to wait and find out.

By the way, if anyone suspects that this news is used as a distraction from Ray Fisher's accusations, TCN have made it very clear on what their stance is on the subject:

But as a sobering reminder, let's not let the #Superman news distract from the importance of what @ray8fisher is doing now. Accountability should always take priority over entertainment and thankfully @WarnerMedia is finally taking this seriously. #borglife #IstandwithRayFisher

https://twitter.com/TheCulturedNerd/status/1307034972289748994

[thecolorsblend]

WarnerMedia is investigating all facets of its workplace culture following recent controversies with Ellen DeGeneres and other productions. Let's hope this includes what happened behind the scenes on JL.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/warnermedia-leaders-concerned-and-disappointed-with-internal-culture-reports-memos-say

Meanwhile, The Cultured Nerd has claimed a scoop: Henry Cavill has allegedly signed a new deal to continue playing Superman.

https://theculturednerd.org/2020/09/exclusive-henry-cavill-signs-new-superman-film-deal/

I would normally take this with a grain of salt, but Cavill's agent posted this artwork by BossLogic on her Instagram story.



And apparently, Jim Lee liked the post too.

https://twitter.com/WhiteWolf_14/status/1307017302391640065

Is it a coincidence, since Cavill was rumoured to return for future cameos in DC films? Is it possible that TCN's scoop is true? We'll have to wait and find out.

By the way, if anyone suspects that this news is used as a distraction from Ray Fisher's accusations, TCN have made it very clear on what their stance is on the subject:

But as a sobering reminder, let's not let the #Superman news distract from the importance of what @ray8fisher is doing now. Accountability should always take priority over entertainment and thankfully @WarnerMedia is finally taking this seriously. #borglife #IstandwithRayFisher

https://twitter.com/TheCulturedNerd/status/1307034972289748994

If he has a new deal for playing Superman, it's a bit silly to think that he'll only be doing cameos. So perhaps we should expect to see actual Superman films.

I want Snyder back for any DCEU material. I'm not picky. But specifically, I would love to see him come back to Superman.

[The Dark Knight]

If he has a new deal for playing Superman, it's a bit silly to think that he'll be doing a lot more than just cameos. So perhaps we should expect to see actual Superman films.

I want Snyder back for any DCEU material. I'm not picky. But specifically, I would love to see him come back to Superman.

I'd love for this to be true. I see Jim Lee liked a post, so that's worth mentioning.

IMO the original Snyder plan is over, and if new movies are made they'll be self contained. The cameo stuff could be legit, perhaps with two appearances building up to one solo film? Ideally they'd all be solo films but let's see if this is a real prospect first. I'd take that, absolutely. Better than the best Superman being aged out of the role. Adams, Fishburne and the team back together again would melt minds.

[The Joker]

I've read somewhere that Dwayne Johnson has been vocal about wanting a Black Adam vs Cavill Superman fight to happen somewhere, and if that's the case, that helps out Henry a lot in negotiating with AT&T/Warners.

I want Snyder back for any DCEU material. I'm not picky. But specifically, I would love to see him come back to Superman.

This. This. THIS!

You wanna talk about the epitome of cinematic gratification? Especially in light of the feckless Warners circus Snyder DCEU supporters have had to endure over the years.

"AT&T officially announces MOS 2 directed by Zack Snyder and starring Henry Cavill."

That may just very well make the years of BS all worth it. *sigh*

[thecolorsblend]

This. This. THIS!

You wanna talk about the epitome of cinematic gratification? Especially in light of the feckless Warners circus Snyder DCEU supporters have had to endure over the years.

"AT&T officially announces MOS 2 directed by Zack Snyder and starring Henry Cavill."

That may just very well make the years of BS all worth it. *sigh*

Mostly, I want to see what he can do when he's not trying to simultaneously make an entertaining film while also putting down an internal coup against him.

There's the issue of vindication. I get that. And I even want that. But this really is a creative thing for me rather than a vengeful thing.

(But yeah, stick it to 'em, F those people)

[Silver Nemesis]

After all the recent Batman movie announcements, I was thinking how amazing it would be if WB made a similar commitment to Superman. Imagine if they announced that over the next three years we were getting:

•   Man of Steel II starring Henry Cavill, with the likelihood of at least one more sequel
•   A standalone live action Red Son film under the DC Black label
•   A Lois & Clark reunion miniseries, starring Cain and Hatcher, co-written and produced by Cain
•   Superman IV: The Furie Cut (aka The Quest for Dignity)
•   A new Superman animated series done in the style of The Brave & the Bold, focusing on the wackier Silver Age comics

I reckon this would make a nice apology for the way the character has been sidelined in recent years.

[thecolorsblend]

After all the recent Batman movie announcements, I was thinking how amazing it would be if WB made a similar commitment to Superman. Imagine if they announced that over the next three years we were getting:

•   Man of Steel II starring Henry Cavill, with the likelihood of at least one more sequel
•   A standalone live action Red Son film under the DC Black label
•   A Lois & Clark reunion miniseries, starring Cain and Hatcher, co-written and produced by Cain
•   Superman IV: The Furie Cut (aka The Quest for Dignity)
•   A new Superman animated series done in the style of The Brave & the Bold, focusing on the wackier Silver Age comics

I reckon this would make a nice apology for the way the character has been sidelined in recent years.

There might be complications with Superman IV. I'm not sure how much deleted footage has survived. There's rough footage stuff out there but the original negatives for the deleted scenes seem lost. The rough cut stuff seems to be as good as it gets. But the original Furie rough cut that was previewed to audiences might still be buried in some vault somewhere.

My signature wishlist item isn't even a Superman film. It would be more like Young Superboy directed by Brad Bird starring an eleven or twelve year old as Superboy as he grows into adulthood, has occasional adventures with the Legion, makes enemies with Lex, loses his foster parents, etc. Basically, a valentine to everything Superboy contributed to the Pre-Crisis MYTH of Superman. I would want it to be in the same basic vocabulary as The New Adventures Of Superboy series from the 1980s.

It'll never happen (and maybe it shouldn't because I think I'm the only one who wants it) but it's been on the wishlist for a long time now.

I think MOS II is highly likely at this point. Obviously, everything is riding on ZSJL. But aside from that, I can't imagine MOS II not happening. Bonus points if Snyder returns to direct it, which would be my preference. Not a requirement. But definitely a preference. I might prefer that Deborah Joy-Levine produce it but Cain is a solid choice.

I maintain that a four or five episode coda for L&C would be a big draw for HBO Max. That show still has a loyal fanbase consisting of people who aren't specifically Superman fans or comic book readers. It was a chick flick TV show with a fairly strong following among adult women. They might not be a highly sought-after demographic but they still represent a demographic that Superman usually doesn't reach. They're an audience who should be courted (to a degree) since HBO Max needs all the subscribers it can get. The FOLCs would subscribe to HBO Max for a Lois & Clark revival.