Will the Snyder cut appear on HBO Max?

Started by The Laughing Fish, Fri, 7 Feb 2020, 10:52

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Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 12 Aug  2020, 22:36
Ray Fisher has accused Geoff Johns of gross misconduct.

Quote from: Ray Fisher
During the LA reshoots for Justice League, Geoff Johns summoned me to his office to belittle and admonish my (and my agent's) attempts to take grievances up the proper chain of command.

He then made a thinly veiled threat to my career.

This behavior cannot continue.

A>E

https://mobile.twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1293652833615708172

Man, if this is true then Johns really is a scumbag. And yet, he still works in the entertainment industry despite Josstice League's failure. This goes to show he has strong networking ties, because any other producer in his position would've been chased out of town.

But then again, Hollywood is such a screwed up industry. Hopefully, Fisher isn't the one who gets affected by this.
Johns began his career in Hollywood as a minion for Richard Donner. Hollywood (as short hand for the American film industry) is a weird place inasmuch as it was constructed to avoid the usual governing forces of any business/industry: supply & demand, business ethics, profit motive, generally professional business conduct, etc.

I could get slap-happy working through the myriad ways Hollywood intentionally operates differently from literally every single other industry in the entire world. But that's not really the point.

The point is that Hollywood IS different from everything else, that was done completely on purpose and Geoff Johns cut his teeth in the workforce in that weird, sick system. His career is the sum of all those weird characteristics you find nowhere else besides Hollywood.

All of this is a long way of saying (A) I tend to trust Ray Fisher basically no matter what and (B) I find his story about Johns especially convincing considering how well it fits with everything else we know about Hollywood. Of all people, is it really so hard to believe that Johns would dress Fisher down FOR TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING? I'm not making any claims of fact here. I'm only saying that I find Fisher's story to be pretty much totally believable.

When you hear about the horror stories that go on in Hollywood i.e. the sexual abuse towards people and inflicted by the likes of Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey and Bryan Singer (and I wouldn't be surprised if Whedon will also be exposed one day), perhaps the whole reshoots debacle and disrespect towards the Snyder family shouldn't be so surprising. Furthermore, Fisher's accusations are an ugly reminder that having strong ethics is asking too much from that industry. No wonder why he's tweeting "Accountability > Entertainment".

Meanwhile, I see a lot of Geoff Johns supporters online dismissing these accusations. Some of them say if he were truly as bad as people like Ray Fisher claims, he would've had a bad reputation in the comic book industry. Here's my problem with this rebuttal: comics and film are two different industries, with the former seems far more amoral, and Fisher isn't the only one with an axe to grind with Johns. We've had Clay Enos approving a fan made 300 meme painting Johns as a traitor, Diane Nelson throwing some shade and denying he was ever her friend (she may be a snake as well, but nonetheless she has no love for the man either), Ayer blaming Johns for his rewrites breaking continuity in Suicide Squad, and Snyder liking articles reporting Johns' gross mismanagement of the whole DCEU franchise. Johns apologists will dismiss these because "there's no proof" and how the people showing their distaste for Johns were "responsible" for the DCEU's failure.

We can go back and forth to argue about all of that, but the most glaring issue throughout all of this is Johns, thus far, has not responded to any of these allegations. He didn't even give a formal statement to deny any wrongdoing when Fisher had accused him and Jon Berg of enabling Whedon's abusive behaviour. To me, his silence says a lot. Maybe he wlll give a statement and deny any wrongdoing if he gets questioned about this, and maybe he'll do the same thing as that jackass Berg did by deflecting the issue and make a pathetic attempt to suggest Fisher as spme sort of a prima donna. But by then, it'll be too late.

Back on ZSJL, we should expect a brand new trailer at DC FanDome next week.

Quote from: Zack Snyder
Working with Stefan down at CO3 getting ready for DC FanDome.



https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1293228535687942144
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Here is the little teaser to the trailer that will debut at DC FanDome this weekend.

https://vero.co/zacksnyder/g-3FJMR4W9LvHZPNGdgbLVdS

Nice to hear Junkie XL's score, a welcome change from Danny Elfman's forgettable effort.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 20 Aug  2020, 13:12
Here is the little teaser to the trailer that will debut at DC FanDome this weekend.

https://vero.co/zacksnyder/g-3FJMR4W9LvHZPNGdgbLVdS

Nice to hear Junkie XL's score, a welcome change from Danny Elfman's forgettable effort.
A teaser for a trailer, ugh. I understand the marketing effort tho.

Full disclosure: I only saw Whedon's JL that one time. But off-hand, I don't remember any of that teaser stuff from Whedon's cut. So I'm guessing that Snyder (or somebody) wants to emphasize new (to viewers) footage in the marketing instead of showing us the small amount of Snyder footage that ended up in JL again. I like that approach, personally.

I would further conjecture that we're getting a release date in addition to whatever trailer Snyder shows for Fandome. So all in all, it looks like things are heading in the right direction.

Vaniety Fair says Affleck is back for the Flash movie.


Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 20 Aug  2020, 22:18
Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 20 Aug  2020, 20:07
Vaniety Fair says Affleck is back for the Flash movie.
link?

Feast your eyes, colored one.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/08/ben-affleck-returns-batman-the-flash-multiverse-keaton

Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 20 Aug  2020, 20:07
Vaniety Fair says Affleck is back for the Flash movie.

And as you know, Keaton is confirmed too. What a day!

Whether Flash will serve as a swansong for Affleck or not remains to be seen, but right now, we should simply enjoy the moment that two Batman favourites are returning for the same project.

I guess The Cultured Nerd was right all along, sort of.

Meanwhile, Ray Fisher has given us an update over his case against Johns, Whedon and Berg.

Quote from: Ray Fisher
After 5 weeks of interviews with various cast/crew, @WarnerMedia has officially launched an independent third-party investigation to get to the heart of the toxic and abusive work environment created during Justice League reshoots.

This is a MASSIVE step forward!

(1/2)

I believe this investigation will show that Geoff Johns, Joss Whedon, Jon Berg (and others) grossly abused their power during the uncertainty of AT&T's merger with Time Warner.

Thank you @WarnerMedia and @ATT for making strides to ensure a safer workplace for all!🙏🏽

A>E

(2/2)

https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1296501935458201601
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Keaton's my favorite Batman, but I'm cautious. I could easily see this taking a dump on his character in the same way that the new Star Wars films did to the OT characters.

Quote from: BatmanFurst on Thu, 20 Aug  2020, 22:29
Keaton's my favorite Batman, but I'm cautious. I could easily see this taking a dump on his character in the same way that the new Star Wars films did to the OT characters.

It's understandable to have that fear. But I'd like to think that if Keaton would definitely return if he knew his Batman would be respected. I'm confident that it will all work out fine.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 20 Aug  2020, 22:20
Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 20 Aug  2020, 22:18
Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 20 Aug  2020, 20:07
Vaniety Fair says Affleck is back for the Flash movie.
link?

Feast your eyes, colored one.

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/08/ben-affleck-returns-batman-the-flash-multiverse-keaton

Quote from: Travesty on Thu, 20 Aug  2020, 20:07
Vaniety Fair says Affleck is back for the Flash movie.

And as you know, Keaton is confirmed too. What a day!

Whether Flash will serve as a swansong for Affleck or not remains to be seen, but right now, we should simply enjoy the moment that two Batman favourites are returning for the same project.

I guess The Cultured Nerd was right all along, sort of.

Meanwhile, Ray Fisher has given us an update over his case against Johns, Whedon and Berg.

Quote from: Ray Fisher
After 5 weeks of interviews with various cast/crew, @WarnerMedia has officially launched an independent third-party investigation to get to the heart of the toxic and abusive work environment created during Justice League reshoots.

This is a MASSIVE step forward!

(1/2)

I believe this investigation will show that Geoff Johns, Joss Whedon, Jon Berg (and others) grossly abused their power during the uncertainty of AT&T's merger with Time Warner.

Thank you @WarnerMedia and @ATT for making strides to ensure a safer workplace for all!🙏🏽

A>E

(2/2)

https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1296501935458201601
While I have no doubt that Whedon did something or other and that Johns had every possible motive to cover it all up, I'd like some specifics instead of the vague accusations Fisher has been slinging.