Will the Snyder cut appear on HBO Max?

[The Dark Knight]

This lends tons of credence to the rumors about Johns and Berg submarining Snyder on BVS then on JL. I suspected that stuff to be true before but now I totally believe it. Fisher is throwing down the gauntlet in a big way here and it'll be interesting if other cast and crew throw in their two pennies. Cat's out of the bag now so why not?

That too. Ray obviously feels comfortable in making this statement, full knowing it would become big news. The time for him biting his tongue is well and truly over. I'm hoping it means what it could mean. I'm still healthily doubting Affleck's imminent return, but this article makes sound arguments: https://cosmicbook.news/ben-affleck-batman-contract-hbo-max

"Geoff Johns has been blamed as the reason why Ben Affleck left the Batman role, as Johns is said to have caused interference with Affleck's decisions involving the script."

"All the people that caused the issues, to begin with, are gone. Zack is back. He's making his movie. They pretty much gave him a blank check to finish Zack Snyder's Justice League... So giving that level of trust back to Zack Snyder was a huge moment for Ben, and having the idea that Zack is back on control of his project, and the idea that he can then move forward with the project that Zack wanted to make, the Batman movie he wanted to make and have Zack in his corner, that was enough to sell him of the return."

Keaton and Affleck, the two best Batmen ever, appearing at the same time with new content, and another trilogy to the side of that? If that ended up happening, Josstice League would end up being seen as necessary evil. A clown show that ending as a blissful dream, giving us more Batman content than ever thought possible. A bigger trigger than B&R ever was.

If Affleck came back, the Deathstroke movie would be the project, even if it was a one-off. As a general observation, Affleck does look really fit and healthy currently.

But to ground ourselves in reality once more, at least ZSJL is a guaranteed lock.

[thecolorsblend]

But to ground ourselves in reality once more, at least ZSJL is a guaranteed lock.

This. I want to emphasize that I don't really need anything besides this. If ZSJL is all we end up getting then I'm still happy. The other things get bandied about with Keaton, Affleck, etc, are all welcome but they're unnecessary to me.

[The Laughing Fish]

Ray Fisher wrote this tweet to throw shade at Joss Whedon.

https://www.twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1277636497940852737

Thankfully, aside from the real Justice League coming out, it appears Josstice League did more damage to Whedon's career as a big time director than it has for Snyder. For all the vitriol Snyder gets, time has shown he has a devoted fan base and he has two films coming out next year - Army of the Dead and ZSJL. The latter being the result of dedicated fan demand making it possible.

Okay, so the gloves are off now.

I was dying to talk about this all day, but I couldn't because of work.

There has been a lot of talk about this issue ever since Fisher publicly condemned Whedon. I could spend the whole night writing about, but instead, I'll share this video by Snyder cut supporter Chris-Wong Swenson, who talks about this in great detail for the first ten minutes before talking about more tweets by David Ayer about Suicide Squad.

Jon Berg...so it was HIM who Snyder was referring to back in 2017:

Well, you're going to love this TDK. Snyder gave this little cheeky reply to somebody complaining about the rumoured running time on Twitter.

@ZackSnyder Disappointed the JL movie is only 170 minutes... also curious as movie isn't finished yet, but IMDB knows exact running time?

@thejonberg Forgot to tell you that I screened the first cut of JL for IMDB. Thought that was standard WB procedure. No?

https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/847656233381146625

https://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=3540.40

You would think this idiot was a bottom feeding clickbait writer. And to think he suggested Fisher is just bitter because he was forced to say "Booyah" on set. What a f***ing asshole.

I don't know if Whedon terrorising Gal Gadot is true or not, but I do know that if there is a silver lining to this debacle, it's that Josstice League may have done more damage to his career than it could ever do to Zack Snyder's.

In addition to Clay Enos, some of stunt actors i.e. Richard Cetrone (Batfleck's stunt double, goes by stunt_batman on Instagram), Caitlin Burles (Wonder Gal's stunt double) and Karen Bryson (who plays Victor Stone's mother in ZSJL) came out to support Fisher's initial comments on Instagram.



As for Johns, yeah, you'd be hard-pressed to defend this guy, as more people speak out against him. Going by what Fisher is saying, the reshoot experience and culture at WB back then was extremely toxic to the point that it may have jeopardised Ben Affleck's mental health even further. Who knows, it may hurt other people along the way.

Which makes me suspect this video about Affleck getting forced out might have had some truth after all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EB_IoWNgNs&ab_channel=FilmGob

Man, if that's the case, then what happened behind the scenes of JL once Whedon took over sounds even worse than we all thought.

As bad as Whedon is, the sad thing is Johns is still involved in DC productions, albeit WW84 is presumably his last cinematic outing. Again, it makes me question Patty Jenkins's integrity.

In the meantime, I seriously hope those corrupt bastards at Hollywood don't blacklist Fisher from getting parts. He shouldn't suffer any backlash, but you never know with these people. Flash producer Barbara Muschietti indicated he would be appearing alongside Ezra Miller. Let's hope that ZSJL's release will not only lay past agony to rest, but allows Fisher to continue acting - including playing Cyborg - for years to come.

[The Joker]

I don't know if Whedon terrorising Gal Gadot is true or not, but I do know that if there is a silver lining to this debacle, it's that Josstice League may have done more damage to his career than it could ever do to Zack Snyder's.

If more and more people come out and back up Fisher's claims about Whedon during the filming of Josstice League, I'm sure we'll eventually get a fairly clear picture of what was going on BTS. If the allegations are indeed true (to which wouldn't be really all that surprising. I mean, this is a guy who openly poked fun at teenage cancer survivors), then I guarantee you the notion of Joss Whedon publicly throwing his weight around as a director, and having no qualms in obscenely bullying actors didn't just magically start on the set of JL.

As for Johns, yeah, you'd be hard-pressed to defend this guy, as more people speak out against him. Going by what Fisher is saying, the reshoot experience and culture at WB back then was extremely toxic to the point that it may have jeopardised Ben Affleck's mental health even further. Who knows, it may hurt other people along the way.

As bad as Whedon is, the sad thing is Johns is still involved in DC productions, albeit WW84 is presumably his last cinematic outing. Again, it makes me question Patty Jenkins's integrity.

Geoff Johns strikes me as one of those guys who landed a sweet gig with Warners, and thought his own personal spin on the DCEU would make him a real bona fide "player" in Hollywood. Just like his compadre, Kevin Feige. Obviously, that didn't happen and now he's reduced to being on the outside looking in, but I really don't see Johns being nearly as flamboyant on set, and/or direct in his public indecency as Joss.

Just because both Whedon and Johns may have been drunk on power, does not automatically mean they operated the same way. It's possible that their methodologies were completely opposite from one another. Whedon could have very well been literally no one's favorite on the set, while Johns could have endured himself as more personable, all the while quietly using his power with Warners to his advantage. Sometimes, people only judge other's by how that individual personally treated them. It can be quite complex. Just like people.

[thecolorsblend]

Geoff Johns strikes me as one of those guys who landed a sweet gig with Warners, and thought his own personal spin on the DCEU would make him a real bona fide "player" in Hollywood. Just like his compadre, Kevin Feige. Obviously, that didn't happen and now he's reduced to being on the outside looking in, but I really don't see Johns being nearly as flamboyant on set, and/or direct in his public indecency as Joss.

Just because both Whedon and Johns may have been drunk on power, does not automatically mean they operated the same way. It's possible that their methodologies were completely opposite from one another. Whedon could have very well been literally no one's favorite on the set, while Johns could have endured himself as more personable, all the while quietly using his power with Warners to his advantage. Sometimes, people only judge other's by how that individual personally treated them. It can be quite complex. Just like people.

Good post. And I agree with you.

Now, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But the sense I get is that Johns got where he did because his employment with Donner gave him a completely artificial film pedigree. But in fact, he doesn't really understand film at all.

I base this on the fact that he has tried a few times to adapt his own GL stuff into film of some kind.

Now don't get me wrong, I think the Geoff Johns run on GL is in the top 10 greatest runs of any comic book ever. The entire GL property is infinitely better now than it ever would've been without Johns SAVING that character/franchise. Those are some awesome comics.

But they would make awful movies. They just would.

The number of buy-ins required to adapt the entire Johns run would probably require 12 or 13 multi-hundred million dollar feature films. Those stories would have to be told very gradually to acclimate audiences to some of the kookier elements of the GL mythos, especially the Johns stuff.

You can't just have the entire emotional spectrum of different Corps showing up in one movie and expect audiences to understand wtf you're even talking about. It would have to be done SUPER gradually.

And I don't think Johns understands that.

He is a good storyteller but I don't think he understands just how limited feature film actually is. Stories can only be so big even with feature film. There are limits. A lot of limits, in fact.

When Johns sees directors like Snyder not necessarily fully developing something like Doomsday, he probably doesn't understand why the Doomsday character/concept isn't fuilly fleshed out and explained. Snyder understands why Doomsday received such an abrupt introduction but I don't think Johns is capable of understanding why.

I'm not making conclusions about Johns on a personal level in this post. Although you probably already know what I think of him personally. Strictly on a creative level, I don't think he belongs in feature film because I don't think he understands how feature film works.

And it looks like somebody from WB finally figured that out too. Hence, his termination.

[Vampfox]

As a big Joss Whedon fan(Buffy's still one of the greatest tv shows of all time). I'll wait till more details come out before I pass judgement on him.

[The Laughing Fish]

I'm not making conclusions about Johns on a personal level in this post. Although you probably already know what I think of him personally. Strictly on a creative level, I don't think he belongs in feature film because I don't think he understands how feature film works.

And it looks like somebody from WB finally figured that out too. Hence, his termination.

Hold your horses. Johns AND Berg are not out of WB yet.

EXCLUSIVE: Warner Bros and Stampede Ventures have set up Frosty the Snowman, a live-action film that will see Aquaman star Jason Momoa voicing the iconic snowman.

Jon Berg and Greg Silverman of Stampede produce with Geoff Johns of Madghost, Roy Lee, and Momoa. Berg and Silverman were Warner Bros senior execs who helped architect the DC franchise launch of Aquaman with James Wan at the helm.

David Berenbaum, who worked with Berg on Elf, is writing the script based on the venerable character that Momoa will embody as a CGI Frosty in the hybrid CG/live-action film.

"From his role as a fearsome count in a land of ice and fire to the oceanic success we all had with Aquaman, it felt only right to realize Jason this time out of snow," Berg said.

Said Silverman: "We know Jason's as a true human being filled with love, compassion and a deep connection to ohana — all of which is the living spirit of Xmas and Frosty."

https://deadline.com/2020/07/jason-momoa-frosty-the-snowman-live-action-warner-bros-stampede-1202975009/

There are rumours that Johns is involved in the Green Lantern Corps show on HBO Max as well. It goes to show despite his poor track record, he has networking ties to keep working for WB.

I hope Momoa gets out of Frosty the Snowman. Together with Fisher, he has been the biggest cast member who vocally supported the Snyder cut, and it would be a shame if he dealt with those two snakes again. The timing of this announcement is quite suspicious too, since it happened on the same day as Fisher accused Johns and Berg of enabling Whedon's bad behaviour.

Speaking of which, Kevin Smith said he spoke to a crew member who worked on JL and was told that Whedon trash-talked Snyder's film during the reshoots. Other claims included verbally abusing cast and crew members. If that's true then it goes to show how much of a scumbag Whedon is. Here below is the footage of Smith talking about what he was told, while breaking down Fisher's recent tweet.

I've got it timestamped at the 1:42 minute mark, but you can go further back see Smith entire break down Fisher's tweet in detail on the 1:33 mark, if you wish.

Just because both Whedon and Johns may have been drunk on power, does not automatically mean they operated the same way. It's possible that their methodologies were completely opposite from one another. Whedon could have very well been literally no one's favorite on the set, while Johns could have endured himself as more personable, all the while quietly using his power with Warners to his advantage. Sometimes, people only judge other's by how that individual personally treated them. It can be quite complex. Just like people.

I understand that. But if it's true that Whedon vocally trashed Snyder's work during the reshoots, and Johns knew about it but did nothing, then it's still a bad reflection on his part.

Going back to Jon Berg's idiotic implication that Fisher has a grudge because he was forced to say "Booyah", the closest thing that I can see that claim fit is when Fisher tweeted this last month:

I don't praise Chris Terrio and @ZackSnyder for simply putting me in Justice League.

I praise them for EMPOWERING me (a black man with no film credits to his name) with a seat at the creative table and input on the framing of the Stones before there was even a script! #BORGLIFE

Source: https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1269390792499630080

But even if Fisher was annoyed about having to say that line, it's still tone-deaf of Berg to imply that he held a grudge for the whole reshoot experience because of only that.

You have to admire Rayborg's dedication to Snyder. This sort of loyalty doesn't appear to be quite common in Hollywood.

[thecolorsblend]

Speaking of which, Kevin Smith said he spoke to a crew member who worked on JL and was told that Whedon trash-talked Snyder's film during the reshoots. Other claims included verbally abusing cast and crew members. If that's true then it goes to show how much of a scumbag Whedon is. Here below is the footage of Smith talking about what he was told, while breaking down Fisher's recent tweet.

I've got it timestamped at the 1:42 minute mark, but you can go further back see Smith entire break down Fisher's tweet in detail on the 1:33 mark, if you wish.

Just because both Whedon and Johns may have been drunk on power, does not automatically mean they operated the same way. It's possible that their methodologies were completely opposite from one another. Whedon could have very well been literally no one's favorite on the set, while Johns could have endured himself as more personable, all the while quietly using his power with Warners to his advantage. Sometimes, people only judge other's by how that individual personally treated them. It can be quite complex. Just like people.

I understand that. But if it's true that Whedon vocally trashed Snyder's work during the reshoots, and Johns knew about it but did nothing, then it's still a bad reflection on his part.

Going back to Jon Berg's idiotic implication that Fisher has a grudge because he was forced to say "Booyah", the closest thing that I can see that claim fit is when Fisher tweeted this last month:

I don't praise Chris Terrio and @ZackSnyder for simply putting me in Justice League.

I praise them for EMPOWERING me (a black man with no film credits to his name) with a seat at the creative table and input on the framing of the Stones before there was even a script! #BORGLIFE

Source: https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1269390792499630080

But even if Fisher was annoyed about having to say that line, it's still tone-deaf of Berg to imply that he held a grudge for the whole reshoot experience because of only that.

You have to admire Rayborg's dedication to Snyder. This sort of loyalty doesn't appear to be quite common in Hollywood.

I hope this business about Whedon trash-talking Snyder onset during the reshoots isn't true. But (A) Fisher's tweets imply that it is and (B) your Smith/Garman video outright says that it is. It's poor taste because, officially, Snyder left to deal with a family tragedy. It's just a tacky thing to do.

The other thing is... well, let's not mince words. We've all seen BVS. There's literally nothing in Whedon's entire career that can hold a candle to any random five minutes of BVS in terms of style, coolness or anything else. Snyder is in a class all by himself in terms of style. People can love or hate his work but there's no denying that what he makes is pure cool.

Whedon is a writing guy. Everything people say about Whedon ultimately goes back to writing. Whether it's dialogue, vernacular stuff (The Big Bad), character dynamics, stronk wamen or whatever, it all comes down to writing. Snyder's creative partner in BVS and JL was Chris Terrio so the writing stuff is definitely covered in those movies.

My point is that Whedon doesn't have any business criticzing Snyder for basically anything. There's just no way to argue with Snyder's work. To paraphrase Tony Stark, everything special about Whedon's comic book films came out of someone else's imagination rather than Whedon's own imagination. The end results are mostly commensurate with that. He made one great Avengers film and one mediocre Avengers film.

Meanwhile, Snyder has made two amazing DCEU films.

So if Whedon can't respect the fact that Snyder was going through a difficult time, shouldn't he at least respect his betters?

It is interesting tho that Snyder is getting vindicated left, right and center these days. It's enough to make you believe that "justice" isn't just a word in a movie's title.

[The Laughing Fish]

I hope this business about Whedon trash-talking Snyder onset during the reshoots isn't true. But (A) Fisher's tweets imply that it is and (B) your Smith/Garman video outright says that it is. It's poor taste because, officially, Snyder left to deal with a family tragedy. It's just a tacky thing to do.

Going by Fisher's latest tweet, it appears everything that Smith said is true:

God Bless @ThatKevinSmith

https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1279889657006821380

In addition to calling Whedon out, Fisher expressed his support for Whedon's ex-wife Kai Cole, who accused him of committing adultery and emotional abuse, as well as Charisma Carpenter, who allegedly got fired from the Cordelia role on Buffy because she was pregnant.

Putting all that drama aside for a moment, last week Snyder awarded this excellent piece of artwork as the winner of a fan art competition hosted by the RTSC movement.



https://vero.co/zacksnyder/Z5v5-LB26TKbcCrfq1ZpnSzW

This artwork is based on the mosaic that was printed on these t-shirts that went on sale last year, with proceeds going to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention.

[thecolorsblend]

In addition to calling Whedon out, Fisher expressed his support for Whedon's ex-wife Kai Cole, who accused him of committing adultery and emotional abuse, as well as Charisma Carpenter, who allegedly got fired from the Cordelia role on Buffy because she was pregnant.

Whedon's image as a "male feminist" has been punctured. The damage was serious enough that when his issues first started leaking out to the public a while back, one of the leading Buffy/Whedonverse websites that has ever existed took down their shingle. A huge proportion of Buffy fandom was partially a cult of personality surrounding Whedon's "rah rah women" image. That was his branding back then and he's never getting that back.

Still, this goes a long way toward explaining why Sarah Michelle Gellar has gone so far out of her way to distance herself from Buffy. That was her big break and she hasn't looked back for the better part of twenty years. Makes you wonder what she's sitting on that hasn't come out yet.