Will the Snyder cut appear on HBO Max?

[thecolorsblend]

Lest I be accused of carpetbagging, this was more or less my position since 2018:

Oliva is probably in a better position to speak intelligently about a Snyder cut.

But, based on what has been made public, I would imagine calling this thing the "Snyder cut" gives it a level of credibility it may not deserve. My understanding is that Snyder's version needed some reshoots and a complete score by Junkie XL. Probably completed visual effects as well.

Put simply, the movie isn't finished. And it's probably not possible anymore to finish it to Snyder's satisfaction.

I would love to be wrong about all of this, believe me. But I'm thinking that Whedon's hackjob mess is the best we can hope for.

Zack, if you're reading this, I am BEGGING YOU to prove me wrong because I don't want Whedon to have the last word on this film.

Further news eventually clarified things from the standpoint that all scenes needed were filmed. So more work was always needed but it just needed funding. So yes, there was always a real Snyder cut. But I honestly believed it would never happen. If not for COVID, it may never have happened.

Something else that's come to light relates to rumors of just how much reshooting Whedon did. Apparently it was quite a lot. Of the Whedon cut, people are suggesting that at most 30% of the movie is Snyder's. It could be as low as 15% by some reckonings.

The SC basically amounts to a different movie. If they do the job right then the fans are in for one hell of a treat!

[The Dark Knight]

So yes, there was always a real Snyder cut. But I honestly believed it would never happen. If not for COVID, it may never have happened.

Indeed.

I have no doubt whatsoever Snyder spoke to WB at times over the years about his cut. It's just a matter if the studio was genuinely receptive during those times as the article suggests. In my honest and humble opinion, I think they would've been respectful, but distanced. Revisionist history plays a part in my view to justify the release now, which all agree is unprecedented.

That small detail of WB getting in touch with Snyder (truth stretch) does a LOT for all parties as it still maintains the historical integrity of their prior meetings. I know business and it's very nuanced stuff, and I'm okay with that dance being played out like that publicly. If that's what it takes - and it is, then so be it.

SnyderLeague will indeed be a brand new film. I think one of the best things from what I've heard over the years is how it demonstrates the true meaning behind YOU CAN'T SAVE THE WORLD ALONE. Showing why a team is now needed. It's not just Superman showing up at the end and making everyone redundant. Everyone has their strengths and become better people as a result of the partnership.

And really, after this announcement there's no reason why it shouldn't come to Blu-ray eventually.

[thecolorsblend]

PS- The very fact that he supports the release of his cut and wants to finish the job himself, I think, reinforces my black helicopter conspiracy theory that he didn't leave the production voluntarily. But I guess we'll never know for sure.

Good article here that gives some insight:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/justice-league-snyder-cut-plans-revealed-it-will-be-an-new-thing-1295102

I'm confident he was pushed out. Snyder isn't going to trash the studio in such an announcement where he gets what he wants, but reading between the lines you can see that corona has played a part in supercharging the project. I wouldn't be surprised if after Snyder did the studio pitch in February nothing much happened at that stage. They heard him out, and he outlined what would be required to complete his vision.

They say executives were pumped, but it seems the commitment only came after corona struck, with March and April being key. Snyder had to bite his tongue after the course correction, so I imagine WB are having to do some of that now. HBO executives being involved would have to play a part in that.

As Deborah Snyder says, right now is the right time as visual effects houses are running out of work. SnyderLeague has work to be done, but it's manageable. Agreeing 20 odd million for added filming or funding an entire film? They have something to build off here at least. Snyder had leverage. I maintain that money would've been harder to get before now.

In any case it's happening and via streaming, meaning we'll end up with the real whole thing. Even more than we received with BvS's UE. Which is awesome. I would prefer a full length movie without cliffhangers, but wouldn't mind an episodic format either if that's what Snyder goes with. The production quality of the extra filming quality should fit in with the other material fine, I think. I'm not concerned about that, especially as it's vital for the project.

"In January 2017, he had what he considered his optimal version of Justice League, almost four hours long, although he knew it was something the studio would not release."

Now that's interesting. Because it's common for directors to put all the footage together in an assembly that was never intended by anybody to be even a rough draft of a cut. They just put the stuff all together to figure out what they even have.

Is that what the four hour cut was? The article outright says that four hours was Snyder's optimal cut and I just find that... odd.

But supposing he did originally want a four hour cut... well, there are lots of ways to go about doing that. Releasing a four hour cut, releasing the film in separate two-hour halves, releasing the film with act breaks, etc. I don't mind watching a four-hour JLSC. And the streaming format certainly permits huge runtimes like that.

But it's also quite possible that the four-hour thing was an assembly rather than a rough draft.

[The Dark Knight]

But supposing he did originally want a four hour cut... well, there are lots of ways to go about doing that. Releasing a four hour cut, releasing the film in separate two-hour halves, releasing the film with act breaks, etc. I don't mind watching a four-hour JLSC. And the streaming format certainly permits huge runtimes like that.

But it's also quite possible that the four-hour thing was an assembly rather than a rough draft.

Two seperate halves would be the only way to get four hours released in theatres. It's a risky thing to do, especially in terms of having to edit large components down for mainstream audiences, but I think it's just the way Snyder does things. He's done extended cuts before, and like Watchmen or BvS: UE, they find life on home video as deeper cuts. That's probably always at the back of his mind. Go for 2.5 hours or thereabouts and save the rest for later. I've written copy for publication and knew it was too long, but imagination and enthusiasm dictates keep expanding anyway.

[Travesty]

HO-LY sh*t!

I'm so happy right now! I wasn't even a big "ReleaseTheSnyderCut" guy, because I never thought it would really happen, but hot damn, what great news. Looks like I will definitely get HBO Max when it releases.

So badass. So happy. So excited!

[The Dark Knight]

HO-LY sh*t!

I'm so happy right now! I wasn't even a big "ReleaseTheSnyderCut" guy, because I never thought it would really happen, but hot damn, what great news. Looks like I will definitely get HBO Max when it releases.

So badass. So happy. So excited!

Seems to be mostly audio and CGI work that's needed, which is even better in terms of maintaining the integrity of what Snyder already has in the can. Actors have aged since then, where I'm coming from. But not that much if actors are still needed to fill in parts. Mix that in with the four hour ballpark runtime and this is absolutely not a Superman II situation that's trying to make the best of what was available.

I have a BvS Batfleck poster, Batfleck statue, a die cast BvS Batmobile from Jada Toys and a Batfleck sublimated shirt. The HBO release is huge in terms of Affleck and Cavill's legacies. Those items feel like they have even more meaning now.

It's going to be two great films like Keaton, with ample scene time, rather than one and another which featured him but not his true soul.

[Travesty]

lol, I'm more excited about this than the new Batman movie.

[Travesty]

And I just saw this. lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYvD3fXslnI&feature=emb_title

[thecolorsblend]

Why Zack Snyder's JUSTICE LEAGUE Is Bad News For Everyone (Except Zack Snyder)
https://videomultiverse.com/zack-snyders-justice-league-is-bad-news

The denial, revisionism and lies in this article are innumerable.

The fans won. Simple as that. For a long time now, Hollywood has been forcing what audiences "need" rather than what audiences actually want. Justice League shows that sometimes, fans can get their way. That's scary AF to some people.

[The Dark Knight]

This is the key part for me:

Will this Justice League be good? Judging by his prior body of work, doubtful.

I remember people saying the Ultimate Edition of BvS wouldn't improve the movie, when it was always going to. Some still say the movie isn't any better. Which doesn't make sense  because existing plot points are made clearer. We'll probably hear similar commentary around the quality of SnyderLeague. To that author, I retort that the anti-Snyder crowd is as much of a cult as he claims his fans to be.

Also:

Snyder's version isn't new. The Whedon version was new.
Snyder is allowed to post anything he wants, as he shot the film to begin with.
The public are free to protest or say whatever they want, so I don't see the problem there.