Will the Snyder cut appear on HBO Max?

[thecolorsblend]

Midnight's Edge is commenting on this whole AT&T vs. WB/WarnerMedia drama. It's no secret that WB is opposed to anything Snyder. But people are starting to notice.

[The Dark Knight]

[thecolorsblend]

Wow, that means something coming from him.

[The Laughing Fish]

I've seen it stated and written, to where it's being made a point of, that this battle featured Uxas, and not the fully formed, ready for prime time Darkseid, that we all know. In that, I believe Snyder created an out and thus lessens the blow of Darkseid being defeated. Like if it took all of THAT to defeat a younger, and not quite fully realized Uxas. Just wait till the prime Darkseid returns. You're going to have some problems.

Under that scenario, I can see Darkseid's return to earth to be even more foreboding in the grand scheme of things. Plus, not gonna lie, as a Wonder Woman guy, I kinda like the symbolism of Old God Ares delivering the final blow to Uxas, and the last Old God in Snyder's DCEU, Wonder Woman, delivering the final blow to Steppenwolf. Thus making him a clear example to Darkseid himself.

Exactly right. Snyder implied a few years ago on Vero that Uxas didn't become the all powerful Darkseid yet. If he were, he would've used his Omega Beams to turn every warrior to ash and bones, as he did to Vulko in Atlantis during Cyborg's vision of Darkseid's future attack. When Darkseid tries to conquer Earth again, he will be far deadlier than the first time around. Evidently, he succeeded in doing so.

Yesterday, the #RestoreTheSnyderVerse hashtag reached 1.5 million tweets on Twitter, beating Avengers Endgame.

Not sure if this is reliable info, but it appears ZSJL narrowly outperformed the debut episode of The Falcon and The Winter Soldier in terms of views, and the new MCU show was Disney+'s biggest debut to date.

https://heroichollywood.com/justice-league-falcon-winter-soldier-views/

I've heard this info is somewhat correct, although there is some conflicting feedback if it's only for the first few days or the first five minutes, which sounds stupid. ZSJL was a couple of million views shorter of WW84, but we have to keep in mind that WW84 opened on Christmas Day, so it doesn't sound too bad. I've heard the film is a top seller on Google Play in countries like France and India, and it was the most-watched film in the history of the Canadian streaming service, Crave. So it seems the film is a resounding success, we just need to get the full results of how well it did.

The hype and desire for the rest of Zack Snyder's story arc and his universe has grown beyond what anyone here might've expected. The question is, will the trouble that seems to be happening behind-the-scenes at WarnerMedia get in the way of restoring the Snyderverse? If not, will we see a consumer backlash?

[The Joker]

I've heard this info is somewhat correct, although there is some conflicting feedback if it's only for the first few days or the first five minutes, which sounds stupid. ZSJL was a couple of million views shorter of WW84, but we have to keep in mind that WW84 opened on Christmas Day, so it doesn't sound too bad. I've heard the film is a top seller on Google Play in countries like France and India, and it was the most-watched film in the history of the Canadian streaming service, Crave. So it seems the film is a resounding success, we just need to get the full results of how well it did.

The hype and desire for the rest of Zack Snyder's story arc and his universe has grown beyond what anyone here might've expected. The question is, will the trouble that seems to be happening behind-the-scenes at WarnerMedia get in the way of restoring the Snyderverse? If not, will we see a consumer backlash?

This new age of tracking view counts and what not from streaming services is interesting. If the name of the game is to get interest/view counts from potential subscribers/paid subscribers for _____ streaming service, then WW84 and ZSJL did their job. The clear difference between the two is that one enjoyed a much more positive reception than the other. So it's easy to imagine ZSJL overtaking WW84 shortly following the opening day release. I'm also interested in just what kind of increase in subscriber count did HBO Max experience when the release of ZSJL was imminent.

I don't know what you can say about Warner Bros. It's kinda amazing how they consistently continue to publicly show their contempt, and undermining, towards both Snyder and the fans. You have the resounding financial and critical MCU like success you've always craved with the Snyder cut, and they're like, "Nah, we're good." Hell, they couldn't even wait a week before making a point in publicly rebuking all the mass interest gained by stating that, in their view, ZSJL is final and leads to no where.

Absolutely amazing.

Yeah, AT&T ... it's past time to get the Warners division in order. The embarrassing ineptness coming from that subsidiary has long passed it's due date. Don't even get me started on that human sack of **** that's writing Jar Jar's Superman, after what I read about his public comments of deceased 9/11 police and firefighters.

Again, pretty damn amazing.

[The Laughing Fish]

I don't know what you can say about Warner Bros. It's kinda amazing how they consistently continue to publicly show their contempt, and undermining, towards both Snyder and the fans. You have the resounding financial and critical MCU like success you've always craved with the Snyder cut, and they're like, "Nah, we're good." Hell, they couldn't even wait a week before making a point in publicly rebuking all the mass interest gained by stating that, in their view, ZSJL is final and leads to no where.

Absolutely amazing.

Warner Butchers are truly pathetic. They've been trying to downplay the hype and attention over ZSJL with casting announcements for other DC films all week. If you ask me, there's no doubt in my mind they may have pushed forward that Suicide Squad reboot trailer in a desperate attempt to take away attention from the phenomenal #ReleaseTheSnyderVerse Twitter trend.

As for them publicly dismissing ZSJL as a "trilogy" by Ann Sarnoff in that Variety article last week, let me tell you something. Nearly two years ago, I decided to take part in a letter-writing campaign as advertised on the Snyder cut community's social media accounts (think of it similar to Reeve Superman fans petitioning for the Donner cut back in the day) to congratulate Sarnoff when she was appointed as the new CEO at WB, now shifted to WarnerMedia Studios due to a corporate restructure. In addition to kindly wishing her well in her new role, many fans - myself included - politely requested the release of the Snyder cut.

Nearly two years later, and she talks about alleged fan toxicity within the Snyder cut community and how fans allegedly "threatened" these executives. What an ungrateful piece of work, not to mention her pathetic attempts to defend the likes of Toby Emmerich and Walter Hamada from Ray Fisher's complaints.

To add further insult to injury, she states she "believes in Emmerich and Hamada's vision for the DC Universe". This goes to show a couple of things:

1) WB priding itself as a "director-driven studio" is a load of bullsh*t, as if we didn't get the idea already after what happened to Ayer and Snyder;
2) The multiverse they promoted at last year's DC FanDome is a lie.

What's the point of having a multiverse if you won't let Snyder introduce the John Stewart Green Lantern, let alone not allow him to continue his franchise on HBO Max? Emmerich was one of the key instigators for screwing up JL back in 2017 and lied about the circumstances surrounding those reshoots, and Hamada is his lackey. What the hell do any of these suits know about filmmaking, other than sabotage?

It really tells me a lot about Sarnoff as a person for defending those people.

Yeah, AT&T ... it's past time to get the Warners division in order. The embarrassing ineptness coming from that subsidiary has long passed it's due date. Don't even get me started on that human sack of **** that's writing Jar Jar's Superman, after what I read about his public comments of deceased 9/11 police and firefighters.

QFT. The sooner AT&T can clean house and get rid of these despicable egomaniacs and abusers, the better. I feel vindicated for badmouthing that studio over the years, particularly throughout 2019. What would make it worse than Snyderverse not continuing is Keaton not coming back, which judging by his recent interview, sounds likely. To think I thought last year things were looking upwards for DC on film. At the moment, it's looking like a beautiful lie.

[thecolorsblend]

The hype and desire for the rest of Zack Snyder's story arc and his universe has grown beyond what anyone here might've expected.

Yes. When this whole thing started, all I rly wanted was for the majority of #RTSC stans to actually watch the movie. Considering the acid bath BVS was subjected to, it never crossed my mind that we'd see the outpouring of good will that we're witnessing now.

I again emphasize that WB/WM would have to be run by utter morons to not want to capitalize on the amazingly positive buzz ZSJL has generated. But I remind myself that it's not about the money for most of them. However...

The question is, will the trouble that seems to be happening behind-the-scenes at WarnerMedia get in the way of restoring the Snyderverse? If not, will we see a consumer backlash?

... it sure as hell is about the money for AT&T. They've already broken a lot of unwritten rules in Hollywood and stepped on a lot of influential people's toes to complete ZSJL... and they've been richly rewarded for doing it. Why would they change directions now when giving fans what they want has paid such dividends so far? We're beyond the core ZSJL audience now. Even normies are getting into it. In what bizarro world does it make sense for AT&T to not want more?

There are some complicating factors going on here tho. One is the possible difficulty in getting the band back together. It stands to reason that Gadot and Momoa are safely under contract. No worries there, I'd imagine. Probably Miller too.

But that still leaves fan favorites like Cavill, Affleck and, now, Fisher. Fisher may be the most complicated of all. A giant proportion of ZSJL's success comes back to him. Would the movie have been as well received as it is if a different actor had been cast in Fisher's place? Maybe. But maybe not. He's burned a lot of bridges with WB/WM. But I can't imagine Snyder wanting to move forward with anyone else. Maybe he would. But I have trouble picturing it.

As for the other two, Affleck has been in demand for over twenty years now and Cavill's career has a new lease on life thanks to The Witcher. Getting both of them back isn't impossible. But that doesn't mean it'll be easy either.

I say all of that to say AT&T is still calling the shots here. WB/WM personnel can say what they want but it's not rly their decision, ultimately. But getting everyone back is a big challenge even for AT&T. Marvel not that the talk we're hearing about the Snyderverse's future rn comes mostly from people with a vested interest in seeing it dead, buried and forgotten. If efforts are being made to resurrect the Snyderverse on HBO Max (and I have to believe that they are), I wouldn't be surprised if AT&T executives are personally involved in the efforts to make this happen.

Remember, fam, it ain't time to panic until Kilar or Stankey start referring to the Snyderverse in the past-tense.

[The Laughing Fish]

Snyder has revealed he filmed the new epilogue scenes against WB's wishes but was forced to make one particular compromise. Spoilers below.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2564640/zack-snyder-says-the-studio-had-rules-about-what-he-couldnt-put-in-his-snyder-cut-of-justice-league

This business of ZSJL as an interesting experiment and Josstice League as the canonical version of the story doesn't sit right with me. I suspect most fans are coming from the same place. Somehow, against all odds, even the critics seem to pretty much be on the same page.

In fact, it looks to me like the only people who want the Whedon cut to be canon all work for WB.

And yet, WB doesn't have the final say on this. AT&T ultimately does. If ZSJL truly is the success that it appears to be then maintain the Whedon cut as canon makes literally no sense whatsoever. And AT&T didn't become AT&f**kingT by making decisions that don't make sense.

I'm not saying that automatically leads to ZSJL2. But I AM saying that ZSJL is very likely to replace Josstice League as canon. That decision costs AT&T literally nothing at this point. But it satisfies a whole bunch of people. Free good will isn't easy to come by in that industry.

AT&T will have to do a better job at calling the shots, because Snyder had revealed he considered quitting on ZSJL when the asshole studio banned him from using Green Lantern.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiewire.com/2021/03/zack-snyder-quit-snyder-cut-green-lantern-1234625613/amp/

[The Dark Knight]

But I AM saying that ZSJL is very likely to replace Josstice League as canon.

I doubt that. I think WB control the big screen agenda, regardless of what the company power structure may be. From WB's point of view, Flashpoint is about clearing the deck. As I've said a couple of times, a lot hinges on what script is provided for Affleck in Flashpoint.

I'm inclined to believe the studio will close the loop with a sense of finality. That's one Batman gone for them. It would then be a question if AT&T have the guts to do a separate Snyder timeline on HBO Max, ignoring what happened on the big screen. ​If they do, it's likely we'll have to ignore Affleck's Flashpoint appearance to maintain Snyderverse purity.

If he appears, Keaton probably wears the suit for the one movie. With subsequent appearances as Bruce Wayne, explaining why Keaton would commit to the franchise long term. That gives the DCEU a Batman, albeit in limited form, allowing Pattinson to have the full blown limelight with the costume, cars, etc.

[thecolorsblend]

To both of you I say maybe I'm wrong.

But rn, nobody can afford to abandon a hit movie with clear room for sequels and obvious demand for sequels. I repeat that at this moment, we're only hearing quotes and soundbytes from people who won't make the final decision.

If the word is still that ZSJL2 is still a no-go by the time May 1st rolls around, fine. I'm willing to admit my error. But somehow, I just can't convince myself that AT&T is willing to leave HBO Max's entire reason for being on the table. Weirder things have happened, sure. But I'll be astounded if that's what happens here. And I'll lose a lot of respect for AT&T's (heretofore amazing) collective business acumen.