Will the Snyder cut appear on HBO Max?

[The Laughing Fish]

I get the impression a lot of these supposed Superman purists are not fans of the Post-Crisis era, which Snyder's take has a lot of common.

Just when I thought I read my comment carefully and believed it was free from grammar errors, I somehow failed to say "a lot IN common". Sigh, writing that comment straight after a long day at work was such a bad idea.

I get the impression that these days, all it takes to be a "huge Superman fan" is having seen STM twice.

And to say the least, the Post-Crisis canon exists in a world apart from STM.

I'm to the point now where I almost want to quiz people who say they're big Superman fans.

Yeah, I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt that most people have a preferred take on Superman that isn't Reeve-centric.

From what I've seen of these people on social media, they often use comic panels of Superman performing heroics to demonstrate "how Superman should be" but take things out of context. The most popular panel I see anti-Snyder activists use is the scene where Superman hugs a suicidal girl in All-Star Superman. It doesn't matter what the story is about, it could be Superman is on his last days trying to make the best out of a doomed situation, these people come across as seeing the character doing the "right thing", as they say, but only if it makes them feel good. They seem to care little about the story itself; more often than not, I've noticed a lot of these people are concerned that Superman "should always be viewed as the best of us, instead of being dragged to our level".

Well sorry, that is a load of nonsense. If fictional characters can't face any challenges at all, they're no longer interesting. If they can't be allowed to face a crisis and prove their heroics by overcoming them, then there's nothing inspirational about them. I do think Snyder's Superman has room for improvement, but if you can't see the inherent beauty of him putting his own life on the line to protect humanity from the likes of Doomsday in spite of all the doubt and slander thrown at him, then I don't know what to say. Because that character moment screams "SUPERMAN" to me.

I wouldn't think anyone would need to be a comic book expert to understand that.

Meanwhile, I found these rumours that a new Supeman sequel AND the chance for Snyder to complete his five part story arc is being discussed.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/08/24/rumor-justice-league-and-man-of-steel-sequels-in-the-works-with-zack-snyder-attached/

If there is a real possibility that the original plans for the DCEU could revived and completed, there's only way to make it possible. And that is to make ZSJL a smash hit.

The fans can't afford to be complacent now.

[Travesty]

I'm not even a huge Superman aficionado, but I feel like I know way more about him than the majority of people I see on the internet. Most people just bring up STM over and over and over again. It's exhausting how one note they are.

I read Superman when I was younger, and never really stuck with it. I haven't read any of the "newer" stuff from New 52 and Rebirth. But, I've also heard it wasn't even worth my time.

But I dunno, Superman fans are the hardest fanbase to please. I wouldn't want to touch a Superman project with a 10ft pole if I had the chance.

[The Dark Knight]

I'm not even a huge Superman aficionado, but I feel like I know way more about him than the majority of people I see on the internet. Most people just bring up STM over and over and over again. It's exhausting how one note they are.

I like Superman. I have a fair share of graphic novels and would consider myself informed enough to make a balanced opinion on aspects of the franchise. That opinion brings me to say Snyder/Earth One is my preferred portrayal (especially for now) rather than Reeve. Does all that make me a HUGE SUPERMAN FAN? I'm not going to pretend I am. Colors is the real deal in that regard. The proclaimed 'huge fans' who aren't willing to embrace other things are the problem, which in a way gives you and me an advantage. We're casual fans but detached enough to see what's going on.

[The Laughing Fish]

Ray Fisher revealed he was persuaded to not implicate Geoff Johns in any wrongdoing, but he refused.

So you can better understand how deep this goes:

After speaking out about Justice League, I received a phone call from the President of DC Films wherein he attempted to throw Joss Whedon and Jon Berg under the bus in hopes that I would relent on Geoff Johns.

I will not.

A>E

Source: https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1301949796081696769

Without actually naming anyone, the President of DC Films who Fisher is referring to is Walter Hamada.

So what does Hamada do? Well, it appears he and the cowardly studio is now using the f***ing media to do a hit piece on Fisher.

Breaking: The fight between Warner Bros and #JusticeLeague actor @ray8fisher takes a more intense turn as the studio defends DC film chief Walter Hamada and says that Fisher isn't even cooperating with its investigation.

https://twitter.com/Borys_Kit/status/1302088874286481409

Right, this is the same f***ing studio that lied to the whole world over the reshoots and disrespected Snyder during a time of anguish. Who more than likely endorsed hit pieces on outlets like Wall Street Journal for dismissing the Snyder cut's existence. Not to mention it was only a few months ago they hastily prepared a press statement that Jason Momoa would star in a new production with Berg and Johns right after Fisher publically called those two producers out.

After WB's disgraceful track record recently, I'm lead to believe Fisher is being a troublemaker? An actor who has so much to lose despite being put on the backburner ever since Josstice League? I highly doubt.

The sooner AT&T cleans house at WB, the better. Walter Hamada, Toby Emmerich, Geoff Johns, Jon Berg and any other vulture who is associated with them need to GTFO.

[The Laughing Fish]

Fisher has called out on WB's bullsh*t. The latest tweet he sent includes a screenshot of an email he sent to his legal team over a discussion he had with an investigator working on behalf of Warner Bros Pictures. I love how the email includes a timestamp too.

https://deadline.com/2020/09/justice-league-ray-fisher-fires-back-at-warner-bros-1234571413/

I've seen videos of Fisher saying he'd be willing to be taken to court if he had slandered the accusers in any way. I don't know about anyone else, but I appreciate his bravery and integrity for standing up to these lying, corrupt pricks.

[The Laughing Fish]

Fisher uploaded a video on Instagram and talked about his meeting with Walter Hamada, and he mentioned that Johns called him in 2018 to gloat how he cast someone else to play Cyborg in another DC production. Which happens to be Doom Patrol.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEzfKhdpZDh/

Keep in mind that this accusation would've taken place months after Josstice League came out. Shocking.

[The Laughing Fish]

One picture upload from Jason Momoa says it all. You have to admire his and Fisher's loyalty.

https://deadline.com/2020/09/aquaman-jason-momoa-backs-ray-fisher-justice-league-warner-bros-fight-1234572697/

That puts WB into an awkward position, doesn't it?

[thecolorsblend]

To be fair to everyone, Fisher has been long on accusations but short on specifics. What was said/done? By whom? When? What should have been done that wasn't done? Who was negligent? How/In what way?

Fisher seems to share this annoying tendency a lot of people seem to have of saying just enough to harm someone else's reputation but not quite enough to cross the line in terms of being held legally responsible for his speech.

Until he finally nuts up, even I will only take his accusations seriously up to a point.

[The Dark Knight]

To be fair to everyone, Fisher has been long on accusations but short on specifics. What was said/done? By whom? When? What should have been done that wasn't done? Who was negligent? How/In what way?

Fisher seems to share this annoying tendency a lot of people seem to have of saying just enough to harm someone else's reputation but not quite enough to cross the line in terms of being held legally responsible for his speech.

Until he finally nuts up, even I will only take his accusations seriously up to a point.

I've been thinking the same. I'm siding with Ray because I dislike Whedon that much - and as I said on July 1, EVEN IF THE ALLEGATIONS WERE BOGUS. Joss deserves this treatment, and it's awkward for him and the woke studio to battle a black man. We must believe ALL victims no matter what, right?

Taking that hat off for a moment: there could be more, but looking at the current allegations in legal terms...so far there doesn't seem to be much there. Johns calling Ray to gloat someone else had been cast as Cyborg is a dick move, but is it anything more than that? What's the crime? And unless he recorded the conversation it's hearsay.

Hopefully more details emerge that properly explain how the relationship between actor and studio soured. Otherwise it's just going to get awkward, with Ray always talking about vetting investigators and withholding key information 'for a later date'. Is he a Jussie Smollett or a Bubba Wallace? I don't know. I'd hope not. But hopefully Whedon is sweating in any case. Let's see where this goes.

[The Laughing Fish]

First Momoa, and now Kiersey Clemons aka Iris West, has posted her support for Fisher.



https://twitter.com/ray8fisher/status/1304550999349231618

To be fair to everyone, Fisher has been long on accusations but short on specifics. What was said/done? By whom? When? What should have been done that wasn't done? Who was negligent? How/In what way?

Fisher seems to share this annoying tendency a lot of people seem to have of saying just enough to harm someone else's reputation but not quite enough to cross the line in terms of being held legally responsible for his speech.

Until he finally nuts up, even I will only take his accusations seriously up to a point.

At this point, I'm inclined to trust the actor who is likely putting his own career on the line than the corporation that has established themselves as deceitful and untrustworthy.

Remember, shortly after Fisher publicly condemned Whedon, Berg and Johns a few months ago, WB delivered this press release that Jason Momoa would star in Frosty the Snowman produced by those two producers - not to mention that Berg deflected any of Fisher's accusations by trying to paint him as a prima donna. The fact that Johns and Berg are still at the company, despite costing the studio A LOT of revenue when their reshooting of JL backfired and created this whole Snyder cut saga to begin with is incomprehensible. Any other studio would've fired their asses for creating this PR sh*tstorm and bungling their lucrative IP.

I understand it's frustrating that we don't know what the specifics of his complaints are, but hopefully this situation gets resolved soon. As long as Fisher isn't undermining his own case, I honestly don't mind if he shares vague details. Let's hope this causes WB to be shaken up and get those corrupt dickheads out of there. Let's face it, if were up to WB, ZSJL would remain locked up in a vault to this day. In this case, I'm glad AT&T bought the place.