How many times have you seen B&R?

Started by batass4880, Tue, 16 Sep 2008, 01:50

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I think it could've been a lot better if it tried to at least retain the balance of light and dark that Batman Forever did and explored Bruce Wayne's psychology like it did. Maybe it could've explored Dick Grayson's psychology a little too so we could learn more about his character. Perhaps this could've replaced the whole Barbara/Batgirl character.

Also, reduce the puns and jokes by about half. Give us more about Victor's tragic back story. Also, we should've seen more of Pamela's life before she becomes Poison Ivy like we saw some of Selina Kyle's life in Batman Returns before she becomes Catwoman.

One thing Batman and Robin did great was the Alfred being sick story. Those were some great scenes he and Bruce had.

Tue, 9 Jul 2013, 15:06 #41 Last Edit: Tue, 9 Jul 2013, 15:09 by thecolorsblend
Quote from: JokerMeThis on Tue,  9 Jul  2013, 06:08I think it could've been a lot better if it tried to at least retain the balance of light and dark that Batman Forever did and explored Bruce Wayne's psychology like it did.
I think it did explore Bruce's psychology, just not in the context of BF's darkness. BF resolved a lot of Bruce's issues so it made sense to go with a much lighter tone for B&R.

Plus, Schumacher wanted to sell more action figures.

Quote from: JokerMeThis on Tue,  9 Jul  2013, 06:08Maybe it could've explored Dick Grayson's psychology a little too so we could learn more about his character. Perhaps this could've replaced the whole Barbara/Batgirl character.
Two themes Schumacher developed in the movie were the concept of family and accepting and trusting one another. It makes a lot of sense to introduce someone new to push those themes further.

Plus, Schumacher wanted to sell more action figures.

Quote from: JokerMeThis on Tue,  9 Jul  2013, 06:08Give us more about Victor's tragic back story.
Um, that was his primary motivation for the movie. We see the beginning of his freezing, we see the cause of it, we see the aftermath of it and we see the resolution of it.

Quote from: JokerMeThis on Tue,  9 Jul  2013, 06:08Also, we should've seen more of Pamela's life before she becomes Poison Ivy like we saw some of Selina Kyle's life in Batman Returns before she becomes Catwoman.
Maybe it's just because I wasn't hip to pre-Ivy Pamela but I thought we got enough. There was a story to tell, after all.

Plus, hey, Schumacher wanted to sell more action figures.

EDIT- Over the years, I've come to really respect B&R. No, it's not the "Dark" Knight but it tells a fairly good story in a fairly engaging way with some fairly solid action sequences. It's almost entirely devoid of the darkness of previous and subsequent films but I don't think that's always a bad thing. I realize there's a middle ground between this and TDK but I think Batman should always be accessible to children; B&R is more than TDK. So there's that.

My issue with Batman & Robin has less to do with the story.  Like colors states, the film did partly deal with Dr Fries' tragic backstory.  However, the tone was completely wrong.  To go from a potentially touching scene of Fries/Freeze replaying home videos of his life with his beautiful wife before her illness to an annoying flip and poor one-line 'I hate it when people talk during the movie' was incredibly jarring and immediately destroyed any attempt at pathos for this potentially complex villain
Johnny Gobs got ripped and took a walk off a roof, alright? No big loss.

Three times. Each time it got worse to the point when I couldn't watch it again for a fourth time.

Once in the theater and probably only five or six times on DVD until recently. However, my grandson is now old enough to start finding topics that he likes. Batman & Robin is very appealing to him and that's easy to understand, with it's bright colors and wild looking characters. So he needs almost a daily dose of B&R for about 30 minutes. So there's no telling where that viewing count would be for me now. But of course those are partial viewings without any real intent to watch the material so much as let my grandson get his fill. Thank God the toys are still relatively cheap. He enjoys the little figures Kenner made from the movie.