My biggest beef with Schumacher

[Sandman]

Now i know there's heaps and everyone has there 1 thing they dislike most about his movies but i have to say my biggest beef has to got be he had such talented actors for his movies and turned them into jokes.

Tommy Lee Jones: Oscar winning actor that could have made a deep, dark, depressing Two-Face and NO we got a guy in half a pimp suit with jelly on his face on a sugar rush.

Jim Carrey: Although he does play alot of the same roles he could have made a good Riddler had he not acted like a effeminate weirdo.

But that was NOTHING compared to what came next.

Uma Thurman: Half okey for the most part over the top part to say the least though, toned down and been darker it would have worked.

Jeep Swenson : Could have been a great villian had he had another actor dub the voice but no all we got was a retard Baaaannnnnneee.

Arnold Schwarzenegger: No need to even explain this one everything about him was wrong thank GOD Anthony Hopkins didn't take this role.

[DarkVengeance]

this is something people will never let go and I understand why, but we all know WB was shoving money down Joel's throat, so he did what he was told, dont blame Joel blame Warner Bros. they're the ones that initially wanted a lighter film.

Do you remeber the term "Make the film sorta toyetic"?

[batass4880]

this is something people will never let go and I understand why, but we all know WB was shoving money down Joel's throat, so he did what he was told, dont blame Joel blame Warner Bros. they're the ones that initially wanted a lighter film.

Do you remeber the term "Make the film sorta toyetic"?

Totally agree. Each Batman film's quality is a reaction to the previous one. Shumacher gets grilled a lot for this and anyone could tell that B&R was just meant to sell merchandise. Not to sound like a Returns hater but I think that if Sam Hamm's screenplay for Returns was used, the quality of the other films could have been saved. Think about it--Forever was light because of the backlash against Returns which was too dark. Forever was a big hit so WB decided to purge the series by whoring it to the toy market. So now WB is playing it DEAD serious with this new series because of their self inflicted wounds, not that there's anything wrong with that. BTW, did WB sell enough toys after B&R came out? Did their plan work?

[DarkVengeance]

this is something people will never let go and I understand why, but we all know WB was shoving money down Joel's throat, so he did what he was told, dont blame Joel blame Warner Bros. they're the ones that initially wanted a lighter film.

Do you remeber the term "Make the film sorta toyetic"?

Totally agree. Each Batman film's quality is a reaction to the previous one. Shumacher gets grilled a lot for this and anyone could tell that B&R was just meant to sell merchandise. Not to sound like a Returns hater but I think that if Sam Hamm's screenplay for Returns was used, the quality of the other films could have been saved. Think about it--Forever was light because of the backlash against Returns which was too dark. Forever was a big hit so WB decided to purge the series by whoring it to the toy market. So now WB is playing it DEAD serious with this new series because of their self inflicted wounds, not that there's anything wrong with that. BTW, did WB sell enough toys after B&R came out? Did their plan work?

your totally right!

[phantom stranger]

Never heard the Hopkins bit. I remember reading that Patrick Stewart turned down the role as well but that may have been just a rumor.

What is definitely true however is that Arnold couldn't do the role because he was signed up for another movie. His wife talked him into backing out of that role so that he could do Batman. While this whole thing was going on, Sylvester Stallone made it known that if Arnold couldn't do that he would've taken the role.

[DarkVengeance]

I wonder what the film would've been like if Stewart did do the film.

[Sandman]

Patrick Stewart is just and exellent actor and is fit as hell for his age he would have been THE choice for Freeze, provided it had no Schumacher.

[DarkVengeance]

I feel that he would be the choice for most everyone for Freeze if we could go back and change things or possibly see Mr. Freeze in a new future installment, Im pretty sure Nolan wouldnt use Freeze even though he could do things to make him fit into his Gotham!

[Sandman]

Batman is so popular at the moment WB will try and make more movies even if Nolan doesn't want to make anymore, if there is a next directer and they use Freeze i hope that he will use Patrick Stewart.

[DarkVengeance]

Batman is so popular at the moment WB will try and make more movies even if Nolan doesn't want to make anymore, if there is a next directer and they use Freeze i hope that he will use Patrick Stewart.

I agree if they do use him I would love to see Stewart do it, though I would probably rather see some villains that havent been used yet, or villains that could have new fresh interpretations!