30th Anniversary 4K Ultra HD Blu-Ray

[BatmanFurst]

Whether adding new effects is right or wrong is up for debate. However, there were a few scenes in here that were improved due to the new soundtrack. Both Axis chemicals sequences (Police Raid/Batmobile explosion) felt more intense.

It's been perfectly intense to me for the last 30 years. It's really annoying how now suddenly everyone has a problem with those gunfire sound effects, complete with the ricocheting noises, all of which have been completely purged from the new sound mix. I've heard people say that it sounds too much like a cartoon. To me, it sounds like a movie and that fits the world of Batman '89 that heightened reality.

Putting in noises that are more fitting for Nolan's realistic version gives it less of a distinctive identity. You wouldn't put Dirty Harry's Magnum sound effect in The Dark Knight or hear a power loader from Aliens for Nolan's Batmobile. It was annoying how over the years Warners has tried to make Photoshopped images to make this film look more like the Nolan films. Now they've crossed a major line trying to make it sound like one.

One of the after-mentioned additions was hearing the new sounds of the Batwing. This is not a functional flying machine in real life. It's a complete fantasy that is believable in this world. For this new sound mix, they got to add new noises that take away the stealth nature the original gave it. When it crashes and burns, they had to add the sound of the engine going out, sounding as though someone had shut off a vacuum cleaner. It's just there to sell the idea that this is real. That was never a complaint from those who loved this movie for the last three decades.

Although this new sound mix is just to add a bit extra for those with the new Dolby Atmos system and we'll be able to view the film with the original sound mix when the new Blu-ray comes out, it just makes me upset that now whenever I go see this film at the theater, it's gonna be this one with the new sound. I counted this last screening as my 11th time seeing it in a theater and each time was a thrilling and euphoric experience, always reassuring me why this is my all-time favorite film. Someday the new mix might grow on me, as I had to when it came to what was done for Superman: The Movie, but 30 years of a attachment is hard to let go.

I'm seeing people say that using that soundtrack was a stylistic choice. However, if that's the case then why would Batman Returns opt to use more realistic sound effects even though it also takes place in a heightened reality?

[The Dark Knight]

Whether adding new effects is right or wrong is up for debate. However, there were a few scenes in here that were improved due to the new soundtrack. Both Axis chemicals sequences (Police Raid/Batmobile explosion) felt more intense.

It's been perfectly intense to me for the last 30 years. It's really annoying how now suddenly everyone has a problem with those gunfire sound effects, complete with the ricocheting noises, all of which have been completely purged from the new sound mix. I've heard people say that it sounds too much like a cartoon. To me, it sounds like a movie and that fits the world of Batman '89 that heightened reality.

Putting in noises that are more fitting for Nolan's realistic version gives it less of a distinctive identity. You wouldn't put Dirty Harry's Magnum sound effect in The Dark Knight or hear a power loader from Aliens for Nolan's Batmobile. It was annoying how over the years Warners has tried to make Photoshopped images to make this film look more like the Nolan films. Now they've crossed a major line trying to make it sound like one.

One of the after-mentioned additions was hearing the new sounds of the Batwing. This is not a functional flying machine in real life. It's a complete fantasy that is believable in this world. For this new sound mix, they got to add new noises that take away the stealth nature the original gave it. When it crashes and burns, they had to add the sound of the engine going out, sounding as though someone had shut off a vacuum cleaner. It's just there to sell the idea that this is real. That was never a complaint from those who loved this movie for the last three decades.

Although this new sound mix is just to add a bit extra for those with the new Dolby Atmos system and we'll be able to view the film with the original sound mix when the new Blu-ray comes out, it just makes me upset that now whenever I go see this film at the theater, it's gonna be this one with the new sound. I counted this last screening as my 11th time seeing it in a theater and each time was a thrilling and euphoric experience, always reassuring me why this is my all-time favorite film. Someday the new mix might grow on me, as I had to when it came to what was done for Superman: The Movie, but 30 years of a attachment is hard to let go.

This is a downright disgrace and a bastardization of all that B89 stands for. The original intent of the filmmakers has been violated, and even if this was the original intent (it isn't)- THIS IS NOT HOW THE FILM WAS ORIGINALLY RELEASED.

Sloppy cover art is one thing, changing the film itself is another. I could not possibly enjoy this 4K experience fully knowing the sound has been tampered with. B89 was a moment in time. People in 2019 have no right to interfere in history this way. Their personal preferences are irrelevant and shouldn't even come in second place to WHAT HAS BEEN for 30 years.

Imagine the sheer arrogance of this 4K team to think they are improving the film. They've finally corrected all these mistakes - Burton got it wrong and they got it right. No sir, you WILL NOT find me accepting this as the new, improved and definitive release of B89. Why tolerate something that is intolerant of the film's spirit?

I encourage everyone to turn their back on this release.

Don't get used to the changes, shun them and enjoy B89 as it was meant to be enjoyed.

[Kamdan]

I'm seeing people say that using that soundtrack was a stylistic choice. However, if that's the case then why would Batman Returns opt to use more realistic sound effects even though it also takes place in a heightened reality?

Warners knew this was going to be their highest grossing film of the year and wanted to be given special treatment with Dolby Digital, which was new at the time. Burton went with it as it would further distinguish it from the first film.

This is a downright disgrace and a bastardization of all that B89 stands for. The original intent of the filmmakers has been violated, and even if this was the original intent (it isn't)- THIS IS NOT HOW THE FILM WAS ORIGINALLY RELEASED.

Sloppy cover art is one thing, changing the film itself is another. I could not possibly enjoy this 4K experience fully knowing the sound has been tampered with. B89 was a moment in time. People in 2019 have no right to interfere in history this way. Their personal preferences are irrelevant and shouldn't even come in second place to WHAT HAS BEEN for 30 years.

Imagine the sheer arrogance of this 4K team to think they are improving the film. They've finally corrected all these mistakes - Burton got it wrong and they got it right. No sir, you WILL NOT find me accepting this as the new, improved and definitive release of B89. Why tolerate something that is intolerant of the film's spirit?

I encourage everyone to turn their back on this release.

Don't get used to the changes, shun them and enjoy B89 as it was meant to be enjoyed.

The new video transfer is still worth checking out. It restores the initial dark look of the film prints that had to be lightened up for all of the subsequent video releases. There will be an option to switch to the original audio track when the 4K disc comes out next month. They will also be on the Blu-ray disc that comes it for those who don't have a 4K player yet. The real shame of it all is that whenever it plays in a theater again, it will be the new sound mix.

On the new 4K Superman: The Movie, the dominate track on the 4K disc is the 5.1 original 1978 sound that was previously only available in 2.0 on the DVD and Blu-ray and you had to select the Dolby Atmos from the audio menu to hear its new mix. Batman '89 might be set up the same way.

[Paul (ral)]

The look of the film is subjective. There has always been variance in home releases - nevermind the limitations of those formats or the source they were transfered from.

The sound of the film is a different thing, and the changes are apparent and noticeable. Not a fan of the changes at all.

[The Laughing Fish]

I find this updating of these sound effects to be a waste of time. Can't movies be a product of their time anymore?

This is a downright disgrace and a bastardization of all that B89 stands for. The original intent of the filmmakers has been violated, and even if this was the original intent (it isn't)- THIS IS NOT HOW THE FILM WAS ORIGINALLY RELEASED.

Sloppy cover art is one thing, changing the film itself is another. I could not possibly enjoy this 4K experience fully knowing the sound has been tampered with. B89 was a moment in time. People in 2019 have no right to interfere in history this way. Their personal preferences are irrelevant and shouldn't even come in second place to WHAT HAS BEEN for 30 years.

Imagine the sheer arrogance of this 4K team to think they are improving the film. They've finally corrected all these mistakes - Burton got it wrong and they got it right. No sir, you WILL NOT find me accepting this as the new, improved and definitive release of B89. Why tolerate something that is intolerant of the film's spirit?

I encourage everyone to turn their back on this release.

Don't get used to the changes, shun them and enjoy B89 as it was meant to be enjoyed.

This only reaffirms my contempt for Warner Butchers and why I have no desire to support any movie they release any more. After all, this is the same studio that allowed guests to badmouth B89's legacy on its very own 25th Anniversary Blu-Ray release. This is the same studio that meddled with BvS's theatrical release and butchered what Justice League was supposed to be. Let's not kid ourselves, had people not put Nolan on such a pedestal, they would've meddled with his movies too.

So, tell me, what do you expect from such a pathetic excuse for a movie studio?

[The Dark Knight]

The look of the film is subjective. There has always been variance in home releases - nevermind the limitations of those formats or the source they were transfered from.

The sound of the film is a different thing, and the changes are apparent and noticeable. Not a fan of the changes at all.

Exactly.

[BatmanFurst]

Whether adding new effects is right or wrong is up for debate. However, there were a few scenes in here that were improved due to the new soundtrack. Both Axis chemicals sequences (Police Raid/Batmobile explosion) felt more intense.

It's been perfectly intense to me for the last 30 years. It's really annoying how now suddenly everyone has a problem with those gunfire sound effects, complete with the ricocheting noises, all of which have been completely purged from the new sound mix. I've heard people say that it sounds too much like a cartoon. To me, it sounds like a movie and that fits the world of Batman '89 that heightened reality.

Putting in noises that are more fitting for Nolan's realistic version gives it less of a distinctive identity. You wouldn't put Dirty Harry's Magnum sound effect in The Dark Knight or hear a power loader from Aliens for Nolan's Batmobile. It was annoying how over the years Warners has tried to make Photoshopped images to make this film look more like the Nolan films. Now they've crossed a major line trying to make it sound like one.

One of the after-mentioned additions was hearing the new sounds of the Batwing. This is not a functional flying machine in real life. It's a complete fantasy that is believable in this world. For this new sound mix, they got to add new noises that take away the stealth nature the original gave it. When it crashes and burns, they had to add the sound of the engine going out, sounding as though someone had shut off a vacuum cleaner. It's just there to sell the idea that this is real. That was never a complaint from those who loved this movie for the last three decades.

Although this new sound mix is just to add a bit extra for those with the new Dolby Atmos system and we'll be able to view the film with the original sound mix when the new Blu-ray comes out, it just makes me upset that now whenever I go see this film at the theater, it's gonna be this one with the new sound. I counted this last screening as my 11th time seeing it in a theater and each time was a thrilling and euphoric experience, always reassuring me why this is my all-time favorite film. Someday the new mix might grow on me, as I had to when it came to what was done for Superman: The Movie, but 30 years of a attachment is hard to let go.

This is a downright disgrace and a bastardization of all that B89 stands for. The original intent of the filmmakers has been violated, and even if this was the original intent (it isn't)- THIS IS NOT HOW THE FILM WAS ORIGINALLY RELEASED.

Sloppy cover art is one thing, changing the film itself is another. I could not possibly enjoy this 4K experience fully knowing the sound has been tampered with. B89 was a moment in time. People in 2019 have no right to interfere in history this way. Their personal preferences are irrelevant and shouldn't even come in second place to WHAT HAS BEEN for 30 years.

Imagine the sheer arrogance of this 4K team to think they are improving the film. They've finally corrected all these mistakes - Burton got it wrong and they got it right. No sir, you WILL NOT find me accepting this as the new, improved and definitive release of B89. Why tolerate something that is intolerant of the film's spirit?

I encourage everyone to turn their back on this release.

Don't get used to the changes, shun them and enjoy B89 as it was meant to be enjoyed.

Everybody calm down. From what I've been reading the original soundtrack will also be included. Unlike Star Wars the original is not being erased from existence.

[Kamdan]

Everybody calm down. From what I've been reading the original soundtrack will also be included. Unlike Star Wars the original is not being erased from existence.

Or the first Terminator where the original mono track is nowhere to be heard on the latest Blu-ray release.

[The Dark Knight]

Everybody calm down. From what I've been reading the original soundtrack will also be included. Unlike Star Wars the original is not being erased from existence.

The audio integrity of B89 has been desecrated, therefore I will get louder, not quieter. As Kamdan has stated, 4K89 will be the version used in cinemas from now on. Therefore these changes are not contained to your living room.

4K89 has essentially become the new canon version, with the original soundtrack now being an OPTION. There should not be an option in the first place - there should only be WHAT IS.

People who view 4K89 on a regular basis and soften their criticisms will come to see the original as the aberration. Those who have only ever known 4K89 will just assume that's how the film has always been. That's the unnecessary and unwanted can of worms that has been opened here.

Those behind 4K89 seem to have done the picture quality justice, but by re-recording sounds, they have gone beyond their jurisdiction, becoming drunk with the concept of providing a 'clearer, superior experience'.

[thecolorsblend]

I understand the outrage. I even largely support it. By all means, be as vocal as you can be.

But films change over time. I'm not saying that's a positive thing. I'm simply saying that it's true.

Go back and watch the theatrical DVD's of Lord Of The Rings. Then watched the extended DVD's. You'll notice some pretty substantial differences between each cut; color design, the soundmix and even the timing of certain cuts are slightly different. On the DVD's.

But we live in an HD world now. And when LOTR was mastered for HD, the theatrical editions were sourced from the extended editions. Somebody basically hacked up the extended editions to get the "theatrical" versions generally aligned with what they had been originally. Except the small differences with color timing, the soundtrack and other elements remain in the "theatrical" cuts even though they didn't exist originally.

People have mentioned Superman: The Movie. The original theatrical edition has never truly been released on home video since VHS or maybe Laserdisk. That's it.

And we all know about the train wreck next to a dumpster fire in the middle of a s**t show that Star Wars has been for decades now. There's a strong argument that the theatrical versions of those films have NEVER been released on home video. And I subscribe to that argument, incidentally. All most of us have ever seen are facsimiles of the theatrical versions (if even that).

Frankly, this rewriting of cinematic history really needs to stop.