X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019)

Started by The Joker, Thu, 27 Sep 2018, 07:01

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Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Thu, 13 Jun  2019, 22:15
I'm not interested in seeing Dark Phoenix, but the media is reporting the film had undergone reshoots because it was too similar to certain MCU movies

Hmm. They must have cut back on constant comedy and one-liners. As the film itself is fairly serious and dour for the most part. Not something you typically see when going into a kid friendly MCU movie. I am actually thankful for the reshoots if that changed the overall tone, rather than something that just fades into the usual Disney product.


QuoteAnd like JL, fans are petitioning for the true version of the movie:

https://www.change.org/p/20th-century-fox-release-the-original-version-of-dark-phoenix-resurrectphoenix?recruiter=942746599&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=tap_basic_share

Alas, it appears we have another Snyder cut situation. Oh joy!

So is the true version the one that's alot like the MCU? If so, that sounds about as fascinating of a cut as a PG-13 cut of Deadpool 2.
"Imagination is a quality given a man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humour was provided to console him for what he is."

From what I've heard, the tone itself isn't the issue. The reshoots were apparently done so the movie didn't compete with other action sequences the MCU had to offer this year.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei


That's weird. So basically the allusion is, "We need to tamper down the action sequences, and reshoot them, juusst in case people think Fox's action scenes are superior to Disney's MCU!"

To me that's just a complete waste of time, effort, and money. But hey, it's Disney. What do they care? But let's be honest here, after the Captain Marvel debacle, I think it's fair to assume RT, and the critics have the MCU's back on everything. The war was over. The sale was going thru, and Disney was always the front runner spot for purchasing Fox and it's franchises. Dark Phoenix could have been a 5 star epic conclusion of a film (which it's not), had outstanding action sequences, and there would be some who would nitpick the film simply for the fact that Dark Phoenix had the audacity of not being a Marvel Studios produced movie.

Kinda makes me think of the CEO of WWE, Vince Mcmahon, and his line of thinking over the years.

Happy to lose millions, just to prove a point!  ::)
"Imagination is a quality given a man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humour was provided to console him for what he is."

Saw Dark Phoenix with the wife earlier. What's the problem with it exactly? I enjoyed it. Not as witty as the previous films, that's true, but still pretty enjoyable in its own right.

I got a lot more satisfaction from Dark Phoenix than I ever did with X3.

Maybe I'll feel different after subjecting DP to some analysis but as things stand, I enjoyed the film.

The experience of seeing the film is a different matter because of the $h!++y theater but whatevs, you can't have everything, I guess.

Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 14 Jun  2019, 03:21
But let's be honest here, after the Captain Marvel debacle, I think it's fair to assume RT, and the critics have the MCU's back on everything.

Yes. If this little excerpt from what this critic said is anything to go by then your claim is definitely not as far-fetched, as a skeptic would like to believe.

https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1103524417190092800

By the time of writing, this thread has gained over 18,000 views despite nobody is actually discussing the movie. At this rate, it will probably get more views than most Batman-related topics on this forum. It's very odd, but allow me to increase its popularity further by sharing this ***SPOILER HEAVY*** list of changes affected by the reshoots.

https://screenrant.com/xmen-dark-phoenix-movie-comic-changes/
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 22 Jun  2019, 08:20
Quote from: The Joker on Fri, 14 Jun  2019, 03:21
But let's be honest here, after the Captain Marvel debacle, I think it's fair to assume RT, and the critics have the MCU's back on everything.

Yes. If this little excerpt from what this critic said is anything to go by then your claim is definitely not as far-fetched, as a skeptic would like to believe.

https://twitter.com/Dataracer117/status/1103524417190092800

By the time of writing, this thread has gained over 18,000 views despite nobody is actually discussing the movie. At this rate, it will probably get more views than most Batman-related topics on this forum. It's very odd, but allow me to increase its popularity further by sharing this ***SPOILER HEAVY*** list of changes affected by the reshoots.

https://screenrant.com/xmen-dark-phoenix-movie-comic-changes/
That link seems to mostly discuss differences between Dark Phoenix and The Phoenix Saga.

The same website has an article about changes stemming from the reshoots at https://screenrant.com/dark-phoenix-movie-reshoot-changes-explained-fox-xmen

My mistake, I linked the wrong article!

QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Sat, 29 Jun 2019, 17:12 #17 Last Edit: Sat, 29 Jun 2019, 17:15 by Edd Grayson
I saw it too and I enjoyed it. Like The Joker said, a faithful adaptation of this saga would have to take more than one movie, but all things considered, this wasn't bad at all.

There are parts I liked and others that I didn't like about the Fox X-Men movies, but in the end I think the good parts stand out more. I look back at most of them with fondness.

And I don't see what was so terrible about Dark Phoenix either. Maybe it was "bad" for some just because it was not an MCU film...  ::)

So what's up with this thread? Every time I've checked the site over the past couple of weeks, this discussion has been getting dozens – in some cases hundreds – of views at any one time. It's got fewer than 20 posts altogether but presently has over 55,000 views!

Rewatching this movie now.

In fact, I've been on an X-Men movie kick for a few days. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think history will look back very favorably at the Fox X-Men franchise from 2000-2019. Maybe not every single movie is an instant classic. But I predict that the franchise in general will age well.

(I'm not just saying all this because I expect for the MCU X-Men stuff to be a dumpster fire... but let's not ignore that possibility either)