The DCEU Is Dead So Isn't It Time For A New Direction?

[Travesty]

I dunno, I don't hate James Gunn, but I'm not a huge fan either. I just hope the DCU doesn't turn into a big joke machine, similar to the MCU.

This is a very "wait and see" for me.

[GBglide]

I dunno, I don't hate James Gunn, but I'm not a huge fan either. I just hope the DCU doesn't turn into a big joke machine, similar to the MCU.

This is a very "wait and see" for me.

If there was "like" button on this site. I'd use it for Travesty's post.

[The Dark Knight]

I dunno, I don't hate James Gunn, but I'm not a huge fan either. I just hope the DCU doesn't turn into a big joke machine, similar to the MCU.

This is a very "wait and see" for me.

If there was "like" button on this site. I'd use it for Travesty's post.

I'll be interested to see what happens with the Ayer cut given Gunn previously tweeted that he'd "be okay with whatever @DavidAyerMovies & Warners wanted to release with that no problem."

[The Laughing Fish]

And at that time, he was not incorrect. Warner Bros. was indeed developing a sequel for 2013's Man of Steel and actively meeting with writers. Andy Muschietti, who directed Flash, even expressed interest in sitting behind the camera for something that would have brought a tone similar to the hopeful and heroic colors of the 1978 movie directed by Richard Donner, considered a benchmark in comic book movies. In fact, the current leadership team at Warner Bros Pictures — Michael De Luca and Pamela Abdy — did desire one more go-around of the Snyderverse heroes, possibly even having another Justice League movie with those actors.

But that was before Gunn and Safran began formulating their new (and still in flux) plan.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/wonder-woman-3-not-moving-forward-dc-movies-1235276804/

May Gunn and Safran get cursed for the rest of their days.

BTW, Gal Gadot seemed uninformed that WW3 got cancelled, judging by this tweet the day before.

https://twitter.com/GalGadot/status/1600181707826946050

Yeah, good luck getting excited over anything DC going forward if this reboot goes through. A disastrous state of affairs.

[Slash Man]

Regardless of the movies as a whole, the stars have pretty much been widely embraced by audiences. Cavill, Gadot, Affleck, Mamoa, Levi, Robbie, and Johnson have all been accepted in their interpretations of the iconic heroes. The only outright flops have been Miller and Heard (though that's mostly been after the fact). The point is that they already sold the audience on the casting; they just need some stellar films to get the series back on track. Recasting the roles for reboots is a huge unnecessary risk.

[The Laughing Fish]

https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1601635899925676032

Gunn is such an unprofessional jackass. I don't care if somebody is trolling and doubling down on gossip and lies, resorting to childish insults as an executive is not a good look at all. But then again, what do you expect from this man judging by his past tweets, if you know what I mean?

Regardless of the movies as a whole, the stars have pretty much been widely embraced by audiences. Cavill, Gadot, Affleck, Mamoa, Levi, Robbie, and Johnson have all been accepted in their interpretations of the iconic heroes. The only outright flops have been Miller and Heard (though that's mostly been after the fact). The point is that they already sold the audience on the casting; they just need some stellar films to get the series back on track. Recasting the roles for reboots is a huge unnecessary risk.

As I posted on the Flash thread, all this talk of recasting roles for reboots is causing people to freak out in Hollywood.

Wednesday's DC chaos about the unplugging of Patty Jenkins' version of Wonder Woman 3 coupled with rampant rumors of the studio's new co-heads James Gunn and Peter Safran turning the comic book label upside down sans a Henry Cavill Man of Steel 2 and possible re-casting of many current big superhero roles has left the town with a bad case of PTSD.

The lack of communication to talent reps and content creators by the studio about what's next in the DC empire, as Gunn and Safran map it out, has brought back bad flashbacks of when former WarnerMedia CEO Jason Kilar surprised and alienated Hollywood with his "Project Popcorn" theatrical day-and-date plan, and even Disney CEO Bob Chapek's war with Scarlett Johansson over Black Widow.

"This is creating a riot," says one content maker connected to DC fare about the level of silence they've received on the fate of their DC projects going forward. "And it's a horrible optic. This business is based on relationships."

When it comes to the rumors out there that core DC superhero castmembers Gal Gadot (Wonder Woman), Jason Momoa (Aquaman) and Henry Cavill (Superman) might be recast as the Gunn-Safran administration creates a synergistic plan for the DC brand across all mediums, our source says: "These franchises which already make a lot of money — why stop them? How can a studio that's bearing so much debt afford to start from scratch? There are scripts and actors' schedules to be figured out."

https://deadline.com/2022/12/dc-wonder-woman-james-gunn-man-of-steel-1235193778/

Cavill, in particular, reportedly filmed a scene in The Flash, but that's now on hold until a decision with the whole franchise is made. As I have been repeatedly asking, why the hell is WBD spending more money on additional photography and reshoots on movies that aren't part of their long-term agenda? Nothing about this makes any sense.

The way I see it, so many people are going to be paid with compensation if their contracts are declared null and void before a reboot can be fast-tracked. I just don't know if WBD, with all their financial woes, can even afford to do it, when they've already added further investment to the movies they've inherited after the merger. It's mind-boggling.

[thecolorsblend]

Rereading my original post, I find I still like most of those ideas. Esp the Barry Allen and John Stewart ideas.

I'm also struck by the passage of time. It was pretty obvious that the DCEU was DOA when Josstice League came out. Five years ago.

We're pretty much in the exact same position now as November 2017. Absolutely nothing's changed. Nothing significant anyway.

[The Dark Knight]

So true. It limped on after the original foundations were blown apart with Snyder's absence. Affleck and Cavill did return, but only for cameos at death knell of the universe. Apart from the opening gambit (MoS, BvS, WW, ZSJL and SS's original vision) nothing that followed excited me in the same way. Hand on heart...nothing. The only films that reached those heights were Joker and The Batman. That's the template that should be followed: less rapid release schedules and a more mature tone. Snyder definitely had the latter, and also the right idea by playing up DC's mythology rather than trying to imitate the Marvel gag routine. Snyder can still hold his head up high - the real villain here is gutlessness and indecision. That continued long after he vacated the scene.

[Travesty]

It sucks, but relieving at the same time. Interesting times ahead. I guess a new Superman movie is what's going to jump start it. Gunn said he'll share his entire plan in about 2 weeks, so I'll see what he has in store for us. I just hope they're ditching the Ta-Nehisi Coates script/idea, cause that dude is just aggressively racist, in a very Progressive sense. So we'll see....

[The Laughing Fish]

Rereading my original post, I find I still like most of those ideas. Esp the Barry Allen and John Stewart ideas.

I'm also struck by the passage of time. It was pretty obvious that the DCEU was DOA when Josstice League came out. Five years ago.

We're pretty much in the exact same position now as November 2017. Absolutely nothing's changed. Nothing significant anyway.

There were times the DCEU could've been brought back on track, the latest when Pam Abdy and Michael De Luca were reportedly willing to work with the Snyderverse actors again before Gunn and Safran f***ed everything up. It's quite telling how Whedon and Gunn, both Marvel personnel, played a huge part in sabotaging DC. It makes you wonder, doesn't it?

This video sums up the whole situation surrounding DC Studios quite well. ***WARNING: NSFW due to strong language.***