Joker (2019)

Started by Wayne49, Wed, 19 Sep 2018, 11:58

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Hmm. Well, okay then.

That raises an entire universe of new questions...


Initial thoughts:

Could be a cutesy easter egg in the background.

Or ...

Since this Thomas Wayne/Wanye is described as a cheesy 1980's businessman, is it possible this movie is taking place sometime around Halloween, or at the very least, during a socialite costume party for the elites? ala Max Shreck's party in Batman Returns.

Seems like a way to have a "Batman" in the movie, but not the Bruce Wayne Batman, rather a Thomas Wayne "Bat-Man". Who's going to one-up everyone at a costume party and arrive in his own Batmobile just to be more extravagant than anyone else.

A Thomas Wayne Batman harkens back to a version decades prior to the more-known Flashpoint version, though I doubt, from what we're left to go off of his description, this Thomas Batman, if that's the case, will be considered anything heroic.

"Imagination is a quality given a man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humour was provided to console him for what he is."

Fri, 19 Oct 2018, 04:00 #32 Last Edit: Fri, 19 Oct 2018, 04:12 by GBglide
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed, 17 Oct  2018, 22:02
A familiar car has been sighted on set.


What's with the flat black paint job?

Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Sep  2018, 17:17
And the weirder thing, is that I'm seeing people who I've personally seen get nitpicky with things in the DCEU, but are totally onboard for this. One second, they're complaining cause Superman's costume isn't the right shade of blue, or that he doesn't smile enough, but give them a Joker movie that has no Batman, and that looks nothing like The Joker, and they're all onboard. I don't get it?

Once again, this just reminds me that people can't think for themselves. This video sums up this attitude perfectly.



If the DCEU had the Joker sporting a Glasgow smile scar and telling people different stories over how he got it, and spoke in pretentious dialogue about the hopelessness of human nature, that would've been mocked for being too edgy and dark, and people would've complained about how unfunny, miserable and nonsensical the Joker was. But because it's Nolan, it gets a pass - because the critics liked it. Seriously, if the NPC meme goes beyond the mockery of SJWs in terms of making of fun of those who engage in groupthink, then I'd say that's exactly what these pop culture followers. A bunch of trite, empty-headed NPCs.

I predict that despite some people's grievances of how this movie looks (myself included), this movie will get critically acclaimed. That will amuse me because the same people who incorrectly say "Joker has no backstory" and used that to criticise Nicholson's Joker for years, will to have to revise their criteria when they praise Phoenix in the role.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Wed, 28 Nov 2018, 07:45 #34 Last Edit: Wed, 28 Nov 2018, 08:06 by Dagenspear
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat, 24 Nov  2018, 02:58
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Sep  2018, 17:17
And the weirder thing, is that I'm seeing people who I've personally seen get nitpicky with things in the DCEU, but are totally onboard for this. One second, they're complaining cause Superman's costume isn't the right shade of blue, or that he doesn't smile enough, but give them a Joker movie that has no Batman, and that looks nothing like The Joker, and they're all onboard. I don't get it?

Once again, this just reminds me that people can't think for themselves. This video sums up this attitude perfectly.



If the DCEU had the Joker sporting a Glasgow smile scar and telling people different stories over how he got it, and spoke in pretentious dialogue about the hopelessness of human nature, that would've been mocked for being too edgy and dark, and people would've complained about how unfunny, miserable and nonsensical the Joker was. But because it's Nolan, it gets a pass - because the critics liked it. Seriously, if the NPC meme goes beyond the mockery of SJWs in terms of making of fun of those who engage in groupthink, then I'd say that's exactly what these pop culture followers. A bunch of trite, empty-headed NPCs.

I predict that despite some people's grievances of how this movie looks (myself included), this movie will get critically acclaimed. That will amuse me because the same people who incorrectly say "Joker has no backstory" and used that to criticise Nicholson's Joker for years, will to have to revise their criteria when they praise Phoenix in the role.
I think some people have certain expectations about certain things. The Joker in BTAS had a backstory, but I don't see people don't complain about that.

Lex Luthor in Smallville I think had very little in common in backstory with his comic version, but I've seen a lot of the perception that that Lex is the best live action adaption.

I don't see many complaints about Joker having an origin in B89 recently.

Not to mention, and this is my opinion, villains, like Joker, has leeway in backstory, where superhero characters origins more or less are the building blocks of the character.

But people can dislike non-comic accurate versions and think something is good.

I think it's not about darkness, but about whether someone thinks it's good or bad and the type of darkness for some. Joker only talks about people being bad and doesn't really try to really be, what I think, is pretentious.
Quote from: Travesty on Sun, 23 Sep  2018, 17:17And the weirder thing, is that I'm seeing people who I've personally seen get nitpicky with things in the DCEU, but are totally onboard for this. One second, they're complaining cause Superman's costume isn't the right shade of blue, or that he doesn't smile enough, but give them a Joker movie that has no Batman, and that looks nothing like The Joker, and they're all onboard. I don't get it?
As far as Phoenix's Joker goes, I think there's not much question what people are generally in fandom expecting from it: Not comic accurate.

I think that wasn't the case with other things, where the expectation was something more actively comic accurate. Even then complaining about how something looks or if a character smiles enough I think doesn't matter really to someone if they like the whole product.

Here's the first official poster.


Director Todd Philips has confirmed the trailer will be released tomorrow.



Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed,  3 Apr  2019, 13:24
And here it is.

I think this has become my most anticipated comic book film of the year.

Quote from: BatmanFurst on Thu,  4 Apr  2019, 00:33
Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Wed,  3 Apr  2019, 13:24
And here it is.

I think this has become my most anticipated comic book film of the year.
That makes three of us (because I count twice).