ral's blog - Batman does kill

[The Dark Knight]

Burton's Batman does kill. If you think otherwise, you are in denial.

[burtongenius]

I didn't say batman doesn't kill.  I'm saying he only does it when it is absolutely necessary, like when a psychomaniac is killing everyone with smilex gas!  Otherwise he tries to use a more humane course of action.  He isn't a common brute who gets mad at bad guys and just takes them out is he?  .  Like I said before, like a law enforcement person a super hero wouldn't kill anyone unless they had to (the only difference is that he is a super hero who scares people- not kill).  Just because some over the top dark comic book writer has batman kill doesn't make it right.  The only time I see burton trying to kill is in the joker parade and I explained that all already.

[The Dark Knight]

After realising Napier was The Joker, Burton's Batman killed. It?s not up in the air for debate.

The only time I see burton trying to kill is in the joker parade

Are you serious?

When I see people being riddled with bullets, Axis Chemicals being blown apart, a goon tossed down a bell tower, or blown up with a time bomb, I don't need the movie to insult my intelligence by spelling it out in 50 foot high letters that they were killed.

Batman killed in the early years in the comics.

All evidence points to those guys being dead. There is no evidence that points to the contrary. There was nothing ambiguous about those deaths. It really is as simple as that. Case closed.

[burtongenius]

  I'll say this again.  I didn't say batman doesn't kill.  I'm saying he only kills when he has to.  Like when a big black guy is trying to kill him (good catch- I totally forgot about that scene).  What I'm saying is that he is not some guy killing bad guys so they won't hurt anyone anymore.  He kills only when they are trying to hurt him or others and only if thats the only thing that will do it.  In this case the only way to stop the black guy from killing himself was to throw him down the cathedral.

[The Dark Knight]

 I'll say this again.  I didn't say batman doesn't kill.  

Er, but you did.

I am of the opinion that batman does not kill. 

You must have changed your opinion or something in your other posts.

Your posts are very hard to understand and follow.

[burtongenius]

 You're right. I can see how you would be confused.  What I meant was that he doesn't go out and kill people on his accord.  Only in response to someone hurting others or himself.  And only if that is the only option.  And I forgot to address the axis blow up.  He blew up the plant to get rid of the chemicals.  He didn't drive there to blow up the people.  Like I keep saying, he does what he has to but only if he has to.  If their in there then I guess thats their bad moral compass.

[The Dark Knight]

He blew up the plant to get rid of the chemicals.  He didn't drive there to blow up the people. 

Correct. Joker's henchmen are just collateral damage.

[thecolorsblend]

Batman kills with very little remorse in Burton's films.  It's safe to assume that the Joker's Axis Chemical thugs bought it when Batman 'sploded the factory.

Batman again killed the huge black thug in the belfry when he dropped him through the opening in the floor.  Or if the guy survived, it was certainly against Batman's intentions.

I don't mind a Batman who kills.  In fact, I find that it fits the psychological profile of a man who takes every other matter of law, order and criminal investigation into his own hands.  Drawing the line at killing his foes just cuz Denny frickin O'Neil says so is arbitrary at best, nonsensical at worst.  It's not that I don't understand that this reference point contradicts decade upon decade of comics, it's that I don't care.  A non-killing Batman makes sense if we're talking about Adam West.  It makes absolutely zero sense if it's a darker Batman though.  No sense.  None at all.  There have been zillions of classic Batman stories featuring a Batman who refuses to kill under any circumstances.  I'm down with that.  I'm simply saying that it's a bizarre and illogical decision for the character to make.

[The Dark Knight]

I don't mind a Batman who kills. 

I had past reservations about it, but I now outright love it.

Batman is a dark guy and he is human. This is not Superman. He has to resort to hard levels of violence in order to operate, and he is not going to take any nonsense. His life depends on it. He will put you down no matter what. He will stop you. If he has to kill you, he will. Bottom line, don?t be bad.

You?ve got to be badder than the bad guys. You cannot have any weakness or boundaries. If you are truly serious about fighting crime, you?ve got to be willing to go all the way.

[Batmoney]

I much prefer a Batman who kills. He must have a visible code, but he must be flawed and break that code once in a while if you ask me. Not that it's a flaw per-say, but like you said, he isn't Superman.