ral's blog - Batman does kill

[The Dark Knight]

To me, BR is one of those movies that improves once it gets away from it's premiere window.  It's difficult to appreciate the various nuances and stuff without the benefit of hindsight.  I didn't really dig on BR until about 2004, when a friend went on and on and on about how awesome it is, how visual the film as a whole is, the symbolism, the (underappreciated) comics influences, the cinematic influences, etc.  Good stuff all around, I think.

Yes, I agree. Watching this film as an adult is an entirely new experience. Lots of stuff went over my head as a child. I was more interested in the explosions and action scenes back then.

[thecolorsblend]

I know what you mean.  Back then, you could've made a movie with no plot at all and it's nothing Batman beating the s#!+ out of everybody and I would've given it two thumbs up without question.

And while my tastes nowadays have expanded... well, I still love watching Batman kick the snot out of people.  Some things never change, I guess.

[Azrael]

To me, BR is one of those movies that improves once it gets away from it's premiere window.  It's difficult to appreciate the various nuances and stuff without the benefit of hindsight.  I didn't really dig on BR until about 2004, when a friend went on and on and on about how awesome it is, how visual the film as a whole is, the symbolism, the (underappreciated) comics influences, the cinematic influences, etc.  Good stuff all around, I think.

Agreed 100%. There's something very special about this film.

[DarkVengeance]

I'm willing to let this aspect of Burton slide, for now. He did kill many people, and few were in self defense. But I guess...who cares; Batman - he's human; he has faults; and he's dark. I suppose it explains why Arkham Asylum does not exist in any of Burton's Batman films.

I would have LOVED to see what Arkham would have looked like in Burtons world.

[Azrael]

I would have LOVED to see what Arkham would have looked like in Burtons world.

Yeah! Since the Wayne Manor in BR looks like a haunted mansion, I wonder what Arkham would look like.

[Sandman]

I'm willing to let this aspect of Burton slide, for now. He did kill many people, and few were in self defense. But I guess...who cares; Batman - he's human; he has faults; and he's dark. I suppose it explains why Arkham Asylum does not exist in any of Burton's Batman films.

I would have LOVED to see what Arkham would have looked like in Burtons world.

Oh that would have been intense.

[DarkVengeance]

I would have LOVED to see what Arkham would have looked like in Burtons world.

Yeah! Since the Wayne Manor in BR looks like a haunted mansion, I wonder what Arkham would look like.

Probably something along those lines but even darker, which is hard to see what could be darker lol.

[GuedesGothamKnight]

I would have LOVED to see what Arkham would have looked like in Burtons world.

Yeah! Since the Wayne Manor in BR looks like a haunted mansion, I wonder what Arkham would look like.

Probably something along those lines but even darker, which is hard to see what could be darker lol.

I'm sure Arkham Asylum would be great, much better than Shumacher's version.

[burtongenius]

I am of the opinion that batman does not kill.  Batman is a guy who trys to stop evil.  But if he killed anyone, that would defeat the purpose of him saving anyone.  In "Batman" he tries to save jack napier.  He doesn't kill max schreck in the sewer does he?  I'm sure in the really dark batman comics he does but I don't like those comics one bit.  Batman is trying to do the right thing by making the decision to be batman and that doesn't give him any more liberties than anyone else.  He is helping gotham- good for him- he still has to obey the law- however much he likes it or not (unless they are really terrible laws  ).

[burtongenius]

  First off, in batman returns when selina tells him that people like them are above the law, he outrightly contradicts her.  Second, lets explain the joker parade and thereafter shall we.  I think I should clarify what I said before.  Batman can't kill anyone just because he's batman, not even if they deserve it.  Its exactly like a police officer.  But if someone is actively hurting someone and the only way to stop them is by using a gun then you have to do what you have to do.  Thats what batman was trying to do in the bat plane.  Joker was killing everyone around him and batman had to stop him.  As far as the cathedral goes, when keaton says "I ought to kill you" he means that he should kill him for all the bad things he's done.  He of course won't though.