Marvel Going Back To "Meat And Potatoes"

Started by thecolorsblend, Sat, 1 Apr 2017, 03:18

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Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 30 Aug  2018, 00:43
Back in the 70's, nobody had to tell Cary Bates and Curt Swan to leave politics out of their Superman stories. Back then, it was considered rude to bring up politics in nearly any situation. Today, the comics biz is run by a bunch of self-righteous, virtue-signalling gropers, drug addicts and degenerates. And apparently nobody told those losers that it's probably best to keep their pedestrian opinions to themselves.

This latest controversy takes degeneracy to a whole new level. Now, I don't like Van Sciver very much but this is just disgusting.
Source: http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/08/29/robbi-rodriguez-tweets-bizarre-unsolicited-graphic-images-to-ethan-van-sciver/

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Thu, 30 Aug  2018, 00:43
As it stands, I'm hoping Marvel gets sued into (another) bankruptcy because of Waid's actions. I realize the guy is fragile because of his utter failure to maintain a healthy relationship with a member of the opposite sex but his actions are pretty inexcusable.

Waid appears to have this unjustified authority complex. Last year, he threatened violence against a DC Comics editor because he was accused of sexually harassing female employees. I think this video perfectly explains why Waid should keep himself in check (WARNING: contains foul language).



Quote from: The Joker on Thu, 30 Aug  2018, 02:50
This is an industry that has found itself focused more on preaching, political agendas, and online shenanigans than about stories and characters. These days, reader's are simply not even given the courtesy of being able to disappear into those magical realms for a few minutes every month (or so). Evidently, that's too much to ask for. And when old school creator's call today's comics fanzines rather than actual professional work, I couldn't agree more. 

Management is to blame for condoning such behaviour. But what I can't understand about Marvel's response to the fans"not wanting diversity" is
it doesn't follow up with history. If that were true, X-Men comics alone would've died a long time ago. Those comics had tons of allegories to civil rights, and people of diverse ethnic and sexual backgrounds, so why are these people in the industry dismissing their own audience?
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Mon,  1 Oct  2018, 04:28
Mark Waid is getting sued.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/09/29/richard-meyer-sues-mark-waid-tortious-interference-contract-defamation/
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, the a-hole.

Considering some of Waid's public comments on this, it shouldn't be hard to prove the case.



If you want to know how deep Waid is into this, you should watch this video. The host is an attorney with a talent for decoding legalese for laymen. He breaks down how screwed Waid probably is with his actions.

If you read those Bleeding Cool comments, you'll get commentary from Cheetoh-munching nobodies. An actual attorney breaking down how Waid screwed it all up for himself has more weight to it.

^Waid's lawyer, coincidentally called Mark Zaid, apparently got involved in a slinging match with that Rikieta Law YouTube channel weeks ago. But that's less interesting compared to Waid starting a GoFundMe account to grab donations from idiots to cover his legal costs. And of course, he still has the nerve to slander somebody and maintain this self-righteousness. The narcissism of this man is irritating. And if his conduct isn't bad enough, he has alleged to have screwed over a business partnership years ago. Here's the video that covers this in depth.



QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

I understand that when people go into business together, things can happen. Not every venture necessarily works out for the best. Not even among friends. One might say especially not even among friends.

But still, every time I hear about Waid doing some kind of business deal with somebody, inevitably some serious s**t goes down and the next thing you know, the whole enterprise is kaput. There are some pretty sordid rumors about what really happened with CrossGen Comics, for example. There are also a ton of rumors about his tenure at Boom! Studios and how his run as EIC came to a rather abrupt end. Coincidentally, that occurred more or less in tandem with the similarly abrupt ending all of his titles that Boom! published.

I started my fandom of comics with a pretty high opinion of Mark Waid. You can't knock the work in 99% of cases. But his personal conduct has soured so much of it for me.

Waid's NPC fans lap it all up and they honestly don't have any clue just how much trouble Waid is in with this Diversity & Comics lawsuit stuff. I don't think this will end well for him.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Wed, 31 Oct  2018, 23:41

Waid's NPC fans lap it all up and they honestly don't have any clue just how much trouble Waid is in with this Diversity & Comics lawsuit stuff. I don't think this will end well for him.

Careful man. According to the some sections of the media, using the term NPC means you're part of the alt-right.  ;) ::)

I couldn't help but get reminded of this disgruntled video of the recent issue of X-Men Red. The guy literally tore the comic up to shreds.  :-[


QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Did anyone catch that Mark Waid interview on that stupid Nerdist YouTube channel? Once again, he lied about what the lawsuit was about, and still virtue signalled about harassment of social groups that he claims were predicated on Comicsgate. The man is a liar and a hypocrite. He and Gerry Conway are two people in comics I hold with massive contempt.

If it's any consolation, the video got more dislikes by a massive margin, and the channel decided to disable all comments because the feedback was overwhelmingly negative.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sun, 11 Nov  2018, 05:39
Did anyone catch that Mark Waid interview on that stupid Nerdist YouTube channel? Once again, he lied about what the lawsuit was about, and still virtue signalled about harassment of social groups that he claims were predicated on Comicsgate. The man is a liar and a hypocrite. He and Gerry Conway are two people in comics I hold with massive contempt.

If it's any consolation, the video got more dislikes by a massive margin, and the channel decided to disable all comments because the feedback was overwhelmingly negative.
I noticed that as well. It looked like pretty organic opposition to Waid too. I didn't really think these Comicsgate ideas would really take hold but it seems like they are.

As with Gamergate, it's pretty obvious that the loudest voices in support of this nonsense are outsiders who don't even participate much or at all in the hobby while the opposition is made up of the core audience. This won't end well for video games or comics unless they get their act together.

This thread is as good a dumping ground for my little rant here as anyplace else.

I love comics. If you're a geek, by definition there's something out there that GRABS your attention more than anything else. Video games, Star Wars films, whatever. It's all different but it's still the same thing. And for me, it's comics.

I love the stories that can only be told in comics. The biggest of the big, the smallest of the small, parody, action, comedy, romance, westerns, superheroes, non-fiction, whatever. For me, comics are the be-all, end-all. I can understand if some people don't adore comics as much as I do. I get it, we all have different tastes.

And yet, the comic book industry is warmly embracing extinction because (without getting too specific) (because doing so would upset somebody) they refuse to change up their content. There are many models of how to be successful in the comics industry from the past. There are also models FROM TODAY on how to be successful.

And the industry at large, and Marvel and DC particularly, outright refuse to change up their model and their content. Pride? Hatred? INSANITY? I can't say. But at this point, it's not really open to debate. They know very well what they can do to save themselves and their industry but they stridently refuse to do it.

If Marvel goes under, they're taking DC with them. If DC goes under, so does Marvel. If either goes under, then so will Boom, Antarctic Press, Image, IDW, etc etc etc. For all I know, we may even be at a level where even one of the indie publishers going kerplunk could be the straw that broke the camel's back. Nobody is qualified to say that Dark Horse going out of business won't ultimately drag everybody else down as well.

There's so much more I could say but this entire post is already bordering on tl;dr. So I'll wrap up by saying that it saddens me, IT PAINS ME, that this medium that I so love and cherish may not be around ten years from. It may not be here in five years.

It may not be here in six months.

And all because the people who are uniquely qualified to save the industry absolutely refuse to do it.