#BvS SPOILER THREAD

[The Dark Knight]

I don't care what this version is inspired by.

That's all I need to see. Let's all shut up shop and not bring any evidence to the table to support our case, because you don't care anyway. I also think some people fail to grasp this is the 'Dawn of Justice'. The beginning of the road. People do realise Batman v Superman isn't a one-off, right? More films are following and all the character's stories will continue. They will grow. Lex included.

[Catwoman]

I don't care what this version is inspired by.

That's all I need to see. Let's all shut up shop and not bring any evidence to the table to support our case, because you don't care anyway. I also think some people fail to grasp this is the 'Dawn of Justice'. The beginning of the road. People do realise Batman v Superman isn't a one-off, right? More films are following and all the character's stories will continue. They will grow. Lex included.

I've been wondering that same thing.

[thecolorsblend]

People shouldn't have to know the character from other media well to be able to understand it.

Fair enough... except you wrote:

"What his character does or can accomplish doesn't change anything about the character that people didn't like. Some of things people even thought were poorly done and in some cases I don't disagree."

You're the one bringing up consensus here. Not me. If that's a line of inquiry you're not interested in pursuing, don't introduce it into the conversation.

I don't care what this version is inspired by. The character as explored doesn't make sense.

If you repeat something often enough, it may become true, eh?

Your unwillingness to accept that approach does not invalidate it. It simply means your preferences are in things being expressed in text rather than depicted through cinematography, performance and other things. Well and good... but that leaves you at a bit of a disadvantage in critiquing Snyder's approach because these issues seem invisible to you even though they're made manifest in the film.

It's not about approach. It's about execution.

Okay. Allow me to rephrase it then. Your unwillingness to accept that execution does not invalidate it.

[The Dark Knight]

Okay. Allow me to rephrase it then. Your unwillingness to accept that execution does not invalidate it.

Round of applause.

I haven't focused much on EisenLex, due to the obvious excitement on Batman and Superman. But he's going to be getting some lovin' from me. The natural inclination from people is to slam this Lex. But I just find that autopilot laziness. Someone actually sending praise towards Eisenberg takes people aback, as if it's inflammatory and equal to a war cry. There's interesting stuff going on if people want to dig deeper.

As said, I can appreciate what he went with. Someone who is green - recently taking over his father's business. So he's clearly not a pubic speaker. He's an internalised back room tinkerer. A man who wants to get his way, and when he doesn't you die. He's a steamroller of ambition. Even at this raw stage, we see that. His theme 'The Red Capes Are Coming' definitely brings a mad scientist to mind. He's a young upstart wanting to go from 0 to 100, building a massive skyscraper in Metropolis as a big F you to the world.

Going into prison and losing his halo - the opposite of what he intended for Superman, is bound to make him colder and harsher. Just more set in his ways. From what I read, prison doesn't exactly produce fine specimens. Rehab is more of an idea and not much of a consistent reality.

[The Joker]

Alrighty then, I see some BvS detractors jumping up and down about the projected drop off in revenue for this weekend which is possibly due to word-of-mouth.

I love the film, but Snyder's biggest mistake, aside of the brain fart he had casting Eisenberg as Luthor, is that from the start he aimed way over the heads of the type of man-children who go see these comic book movies. Which I and a lot of other people say is great, but the response from the plebians has been, unfortunately, predictable as f*ck, right from when he decided to make a actual FILM and not a f*cking cartoon. F*ck those people.

I absolutely think it's a fantastic movie. Not perfect, not without issues, but definitely a worthwhile film nevertheless. Will it lose money BECAUSE it isn't enough like the Disney/Marvel formula where it's light, and accessible for the little kids and spastic man-babies? Well, unfortunately yes.

[The Dark Knight]

When you start listening to critics, tailoring your film to please them, you lose. You have to make the film you want to make. Because even if you go out to please the critics, not all are going to be fans anyway.

I saw a preconceived scepticism, or hatred, for lack of a better word, of Snyder and the film itself during the lead-in. Sure, some people genuinely may not like the film, but I do sense a lot of those sceptical viewpoints now want to be validated. Make no mistake, the detractors do NOT want this film to earn a tidy box office. And if it does, they'll say it's still not good enough. They simply will not be convinced or satisfied either way.

To the point sensible defence is dismissed. Even points that are universally praised - namely the combat, all of a sudden becomes a weakness. Everything becomes a weakness, and that RT score is held up as the proof. State why Batfleck kills in BvS and you'll likely hear 'well, it still sucks, it's still not Batman.' This is the narrow mindedness we face.

And let's get real. The Nolan army has their back up. They're feeling the competitive backlash against their brand and will bring down the replacement if given the chance. I find it rich that BvS is called a hollow, boring film devoid of humour or warmth, when that describes TDK Rises perfectly. But hey, that one gets a free pass.

[Dagenspear]

Fair enough... except you wrote:

"What his character does or can accomplish doesn't change anything about the character that people didn't like. Some of things people even thought were poorly done and in some cases I don't disagree."

You're the one bringing up consensus here. Not me. If that's a line of inquiry you're not interested in pursuing, don't introduce it into the conversation.

I didn't say anything about people not liking it because it's not like a version of the character.

If you repeat something often enough, it may become true, eh?

I said why.

Okay. Allow me to rephrase it then. Your unwillingness to accept that execution does not invalidate it.

Execution isn't something to accept or deny. It's the way something is. Lex can be an annoying Jesse Eisenberg-esque character and still be executed better than he was.

Round of applause.

I haven't focused much on EisenLex, due to the obvious excitement on Batman and Superman. But he's going to be getting some lovin' from me. The natural inclination from people is to slam this Lex. But I just find that autopilot laziness. Someone actually sending praise towards Eisenberg takes people aback, as if it's inflammatory and equal to a war cry. There's interesting stuff going on if people want to dig deeper.

As said, I can appreciate what he went with. Someone who is green - recently taking over his father's business. So he's clearly not a pubic speaker. He's an internalised back room tinkerer. A man who wants to get his way, and when he doesn't you die. He's a steamroller of ambition. Even at this raw stage, we see that. His theme 'The Red Capes Are Coming' definitely brings a mad scientist to mind. He's a young upstart wanting to go from 0 to 100, building a massive skyscraper in Metropolis as a big F you to the world.

Going into prison and losing his halo - the opposite of what he intended for Superman, is bound to make him colder and harsher. Just more set in his ways. From what I read, prison doesn't exactly produce fine specimens. Rehab is more of an idea and not much of a consistent reality.

That's fully performance based and isn't the issues I've said the character has.

That's all I need to see. Let's all shut up shop and not bring any evidence to the table to support our case, because you don't care anyway.

It's the way it should. Adaption wasn't what we were talking about. Execution was. It can be adapted fifteen different ways that doesn't make it well done. Liking something because it's similar to something else you like or that's been done before is a biased view and not something that can be discussed.

I also think some people fail to grasp this is the 'Dawn of Justice'. The beginning of the road. People do realise Batman v Superman isn't a one-off, right? More films are following and all the character's stories will continue. They will grow. Lex included.

It doesn't matter what comes after it. It doesn't change this movie. Just like BvS never would have changed MOS. This movie is what it is. It having a sequel won't make up for anything. Have a very great day everyone!

God bless you all! God bless everyone!

[Dagenspear]

And let's get real. The Nolan army has their back up. They're feeling the competitive backlash against their brand and will bring down the replacement if given the chance. I find it rich that BvS is called a hollow, boring film devoid of humour or warmth, when that describes TDK Rises perfectly. But hey, that one gets a free pass.

TDKRises has plenty comedy and warmth. It's a little cold certainly. But yeah, I'd figure devoid of much humor and much warmth fits BvS pretty well. This movie falls short in those areas of every Batman film adaption. Not just the Nolan movies. It seems that there's irony in you saying that people bashing this is because they don't like the idea of it being viewed as better than another version. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

[The Dark Knight]

You don't get what I am saying, boy. It's a preconceived hatred of Snyder. Even strengths of BvS are dismissed and turned into products of shame. A section of people simply do NOT want BvS to succeed. This hatred is clear as day, yet some oafs out there turn a blind eye and keep drinking the cool aid with an extra dose of ice blocks. And perhaps with a slice of lemon peel. I quite like Begins, but the other two can swing like a carcass in the breeze as far as I am concerned. I've had a decade to assess the Nolan series and spit it out like a spoonfull of grubs. BvS gets sliced and diced for being a droning bore, yet Rises gets a free pass. It's double standards. TDK Rises should be called A Walk Down Memory Bane: A Series of Nonsensical Speeches. Nolan is a golden child with the critics, and Snyder is not. They make no secret they don't like the guy, and I mean personally too. BvS was effectively dead out of the gate with a section of critics. And now that childish petition to have him sacked is floating around. The usual suspects are licking their lips.

[thecolorsblend]

Alrighty then, I see some BvS detractors jumping up and down about the projected drop off in revenue for this weekend which is possibly due to word-of-mouth.

Let them rant, rave and howl at the moon. Unless things go SERIOUSLY haywire, the movie will be fully in the black in the US as well as internationally by the end of this weekend. Years from now, nobody is likely to remember how much BvS did or didn't drop off during the second weekend... or, for that matter, that it broke attendance records on the Monday and Tuesday following its release. What people will remember was whether they enjoyed the movie and, maybe (and strictly secondarily), that it was profitable.

This is only the second DCEU film and it's kicking ass at the box office while the second MCU film tanked and unfortunately I'm the only one willing to mention that, it seems. The first two DCEU films have far outgrossed the first MCU films. People aren't likely to remember this either so I guess one takes the good with the bad.