#BvS SPOILER THREAD

[thecolorsblend]

Something else is the Batman mythos on display here. We see stuff that we've never seen in a Batman film before. I speak here of a dead Robin's outfit.

What works for me is how little these elements are developed in the film. We don't see why Wayne Manor was burned to the ground, how Robin came about dying, which Robin it was, etc. So much was introduced here but not expanded upon. It leaves a lot of fertile ground for a solo Batman franchise to develop.

I was concerned that BvS would unravel a lot of story potential for solo Batman. But that isn't what happened. It's introduced but that's all. If Batman films want to develop those issues, they have the flexibility to do so. But they're not obligated to. They have their own choices to make.

On the one hand, Batman has already had a great run at the box office so it's not the end of the world if his own franchise is a little weakened. But he's now part of a legit shared universe and he should have just as much a chance to shine as the other characters will. And now he does.

I wouldn't change a thing with how Batman's world is shown in BvS. Because I'm a kind of an butt-kicking junkie, I would've welcomed more of Batman beating the crap out of people but I really can't complain about how things played out in this movie. I definitely got a big helping of Batman Butt-Kickery. These are my favorite Batman fight scenes in live action. The bar was arguably set pretty low from previous installments but that's small stuff. Batman kicked butts just the way I've always wanted to see him kick butts in live action.

If I have a lasting regret about anything, it's that there's only one Zack Snyder and he can't direct the entire DCEU. Some other director will have to pick up where Snyder is leaving off (whether it's Affleck or somebody else) and I hope he remembers to make with the Snyder-style butt-kickings.

[Dagenspear]

I must have been the only one who clearly heard Supes tell Lois he had to go to Gotham to ask Batman for help or he (Bats) had to die. It became quickly evident Batman had no intentions of helping so he had to beat him down even though he didn't want to kill him (the oft heard line from the trailers "If I wanted it you'd be dead already"). Lex had his MOM and was going to burn her alive if you remember. That would screw with the psyche of any man or superman (or woman for that matter, I would have freaked), especially one already wracked with the amount of self doubt Clark had. So he was totally distracted and not thinking clearly.

Lex has his mom and he's going to waste time punching Batman and telling him to stay down instead of telling him that Lex Luthor is threatening his mom to make him do this. Him telling him to save Martha is really unnatural too, as much as I liked that scene a lot, because I can't see how anyone's default phrase to ask someone to save their mother is to call them by their first name. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

[The Dark Knight]

I must have been the only one who clearly heard Supes tell Lois he had to go to Gotham to ask Batman for help or he (Bats) had to die. It became quickly evident Batman had no intentions of helping so he had to beat him down even though he didn't want to kill him (the oft heard line from the trailers "If I wanted it you'd be dead already").

Agreed.

[Paul (ral)]

Bruce abandoned Wayne Manor many years ago because he felt it was distracting him from being Batman. It's stated in an official BvS book.

[DallyWhitty]

I'll just re-post what I posted on another site:

Pretty much everybody is praising Affleck and Gadot and I think they're spot-on. Both nailed it. Keaton remains my favourite of the live-action Batmen but Affleck is easily a close second. I'm a lifelong Batman fan but it must be said that I've never had an issue with the character committing murder. If anything, the darker the better so I got a kick out of how brutal and unrelenting he was in this film. It's been a long time since we've seen a Batman on screen so full of rage.

The one casting choice that seems to have everybody split is Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. I loved him but then I do have a shameless knack for hammy, over-the-top performances. He was certainly menacing when he needed to be, though. His interactions with Holly Hunter were fantastic and the tension between his character and her's was one of my favourite aspects of the film. I was disappointed when Senator Finch was killed off halfway through.

Pacing-wise, I do think there were aspects of the film that could've expanded on better, whereas there were others that could've been omitted altogether. I kept getting the impression that they were trying to justify Lois Lane's presence in the film and although I like Amy Adams and the character, I reckon they could've written a stronger sub-plot around her. All things considered, though, they had a lot to get through in the film and I thought they did a decent job of juggling everything.

I've gotta say, I loved the Knightmare sequence and the one that directly follows. It was so left-field and bizarre that I couldn't help but love it. Remember the scene in Fire Walk With Me where Laura wakes to find Annie in bed with her? And Annie's delivering a cryptic message? That's what it reminded me of. It's something only those who'd seen the TV series could even begin to understand and the same could be said for the Knightmare sequence except in relation to diehard DC readers. I'm willing to bet that the majority of the audience were perplexed whilst watching it.

I've seen comparisons to Alien³ and David Lynch's Dune and other films of that ilk and I think the comparison is spot on. They're all films that I'd regard as flawed masterpieces. I may recognise the issues the films have but when everything else about them is so, so good, it's easy enough to overlook the flaws. Dawn of Justice is another of those films for me. I just fell in love with the drama and the scope of it all. Too many superhero films now are so safe and by-the-numbers. This one had more ambition. The execution may not have been perfect but the tone was right up my alley and I'm really excited to see what else the DC Extended Universe will bring.

[The Laughing Fish]

Here is something I don't get about Lex's council meeting bombing: how come Superman didn't sense that a bomb was ticking? I know he said he didn't see anything when it happened, but I thought that his super hearing would've sensed something. Am I missing something here?

[thecolorsblend]

Here is something I don't get about Lex's council meeting bombing: how come Superman didn't sense that a bomb was ticking? I know he said he didn't see anything when it happened, but I thought that his super hearing would've sensed something. Am I missing something here?

He may have needed to be on the lookout for it in order to have noticed it.

I read a theory a while ago that I thought had some disco potential.

Originally Batman would've killed Superman, Superman would've come back and basically become Darkseid's viceroy of the planet Earth as his mother was gone and Superman would've been as disillusioned as Batman. The Flash sent that message back in time to tip Batman off that Lois is the key.

Indeed she is. This time Batman listened to her and then listened to Superman, and so decided to toss the Kryptonite spear away. That changes the future from which the Flash sent his message.

Darkseid is still coming but he won't be able to count on having Superman as an ally now. But he's still coming. And when he gets here, he's coming for blood.

I thought it sounded interesting so there you go.

[The Laughing Fish]

He may have needed to be on the lookout for it in order to have noticed it.

That sounds a little too convenient for my liking. I do get that Superman wasn't paying attention, but I'm not too convinced it's a good excuse because he was able to hear Zod harassing Martha from a distance in MOS.

I read a theory a while ago that I thought had some disco potential.

Originally Batman would've killed Superman, Superman would've come back and basically become Darkseid's viceroy of the planet Earth as his mother was gone and Superman would've been as disillusioned as Batman. The Flash sent that message back in time to tip Batman off that Lois is the key.

Indeed she is. This time Batman listened to her and then listened to Superman, and so decided to toss the Kryptonite spear away. That changes the future from which the Flash sent his message.

Darkseid is still coming but he won't be able to count on having Superman as an ally now. But he's still coming. And when he gets here, he's coming for blood.

I thought it sounded interesting so there you go.

Would you compare that scene to the panel from Crisis on Infinite Earths, where Batman sees Flash warning him about the Anti-Monitor and the merging of Earths 1 and 2?

I've seen comparisons to Alien³

That scene with Batman hiding from the cop like he's an Alien Xenomorph was pretty cool. He had this ability to dodge the shotgun as if he transformed into a creature of the night for real.

[The Joker]

That sounds a little too convenient for my liking. I do get that Superman wasn't paying attention, but I'm not too convinced it's a good excuse because he was able to hear Zod harassing Martha from a distance in MOS.

I took it as a allusion that Superman actually had to see the bomb to detect it. From what I understand, modern bombs that aren't sanctioned by the government are generally made not to be identified so wont tick, beep or otherwise indicate its true form.

[The Dark Knight]

Either way, Superman didn't have his mind on looking out for bombs. He was focused on the hearing.

The way Cavill just stands there when the explosion happens is heartbreaking. He can't save anyone because they're already dead, and he's the lone, invulnerable survivor once again. I thought it was well done.