#BvS SPOILER THREAD

[Catwoman]

This didn't really shock me or amaze me since you would know he would, but when he saved Lex - who has caused all this sh*t to get out of hand - from getting splattered by Doomsday's swipe. Too bad only that ungrateful bastard was there to see it. But Supes' sacrifice in the end answered everyone's questions about him.

[Azrael]

Was the whole Doomsday thing a bit stupid, and Superman's death too premature?

Angry Joe is the one who raises valid points about those things, ignore the deluded masses of critics but this guy is a painted Superman fan who loved The Man of Steel (and is usually spot on with his criticisms in his reviews).

(warning: language)

[The Joker]

You know, I've read people make snide comments and scoff at the idea that Batman refrained from killing Superman because of Superman saying that Martha needed to be saved. Personally, I thought this was a valid reason Batman WOULD stop from killing Batman. We get that the death of Bruce's parents had a undeniable affect on his life. He trained all his life. Battled Gotham City scum for 20 years. Had to (apparently) endure the loss of a Robin. Is STILL in the game, goes on to take on a God-like being in Superman that Alfred says is suicide, and out of no where during the battle, Superman says that he has to save "Martha". To which Batman is flabbergasted and wants to know why did he say that? In a literal sense, and with Batman's psychology, I would think it would be very OUT OF CHARACTER if he DIDN'T have a emotional response to the name of his mother by a seemingly adversary.

[The Dark Knight]

Yeah. His parents are everything to him, so the reaction is understandable in my opinion.

[Catwoman]

That scene gives me chills every time I think about it. Good chills. It was amazing and the perfect way to bring those two together. I expected it to be a dealio where Diana came in and made them stop fighting or Doomsday was unleashed and they had to work together. The way it turned out was so good.

Ohhhhh one line I forgot to mention, where Lex tells his crony to break the news about Martha being turned into a crispy critter and Batsy replies "I'd rather do the breaking in person." Freaking. Loved. It.

[BatmAngelus]

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/25/batman-v-superman-jimmy-olsen

I recognized the actor from Smallville and honestly thought, when the terrorists found the tracker, that they were doing a "realistic" version of Jimmy's signal watch from the comics and Superman would arrive at any second, after he told Lois not to worry. Instead...

Since the scene that actually identified him as Jimmy was cut and the actor they chose for the role is relatively unknown, the end result to Snyder's "Psycho" idea is just...really odd.

[thecolorsblend]

The minute Doomsday first appeared in whatever trailer he first appeared in, it never crossed my mind that Superman would survive BvS. If you want to put Superman up against a big bruiser whose ass he can kick into the middle of next Tuesday, you go with Mongul or Bizarro or something. You put Superman up against Doomsday in a live action film because you're planning to kill Superman off. So that part wasn't a surprise.

What was a surprise was how Snyder handled. He manufactured a situation where vast swathes of the public love and adore Superman... but his appeal is not necessarily universal. He has detractors.

In Doomsday (which is the name of the storyline in which Superman died; the trade paperback has some other fruity name but that isn't what I go by), Superman's sacrificial death confirmed every single assumption and expectation the DCU civilians had about him. In BvS, this was Superman proving his critics wrong.

It was also Superman paying the ultimate price for a mistake of sorts he made in MOS. Strictly speaking, Superman shouldn't kill. But if he does, it should be because there isn't another choice. And if it comes to that, he has to suffer for making that decision.

Killing Zod in MOS is singularly what enables Superman's death in BvS. If there had been a way to trap Zod in the Phantom Zone back in MOS, he and Batman could've arrested Luthor in BvS and gone home more or less in one piece. But things went a different way.

Something else is that Superman's death galvanizes Batman and Wonder Woman. They're both done being solo acts now. The lack of communication between Superman and Batman is what enabled this entire mess. Batman, for sure, is committed to never letting something like this happen again. He will seek the other metas out and make allies out of them precisely so they can avoid being turned against each other.

Never again will they be used as pawns to take each other out.

Big stuff comes from Superman's death. It rehabilitated his public image, it taught him a valuable (and bloody) lesson and it clearly is what inspires the formation of the Justice League.

Plus, let's cut the crap. Superman isn't staying dead. So he'll have his cake and eat it too when the Justice League movie comes around.

What I really dig about BvS is the MYTH. Superman is living Greek god. "God" in the Christian context is the highest of the high, the purest of the pure. But deities in myth have feet of clay. They screw up, they make mistakes and very often they live among us. That's the paradigm with which Snyder is working in BvS. They've built literal monuments to Superman but in today's world, enfranchisement comes from news media. You're not truly accepted on a social level until the news media all write/broadcast nice things about you. And that's where Superman is. He's a Greek god.

Batman and Wonder Woman aren't far behind, and the future is wide open.

I'm VERY interested to see what's coming in the future. On the micro level, I want a solo Affleck Batman film and more solo Superman films. On the macro level, I want the DCEU to build up a mythos of its own. I want to see universe-building, the public reacting to the presence of more Greek gods in their midst. DC is, was and will always be better positioned to deliver on that type of Greek god metaphor than Marvel ever was on their best day. It's who DC has always been and I'm glad that WB is homing in on that.

The future looks... well, not "bright". But definitely awesome!

[Azrael]

Yes, DC always had analogues with the Greek Pantheon.

[Paul (ral)]

Superman's sacrificial death confirmed every single assumption and expectation the DCU civilians had about him. In BvS, this was Superman proving his critics wrong.

The general public never really saw Doomsday. Unlike the Zod battle, the whole affair happens without much, if any, media coverage. I wish that aspect of the battle had been played out longer. It would have given a more meaning to his death. Heck, they spent more time showing the cannonfire salute at his funeral than they did Superman fighting Doomsday.

The lack of communication between Superman and Batman is what enabled this entire mess.

Another real issue I have. I can get Batman not communicating well. He can be pig-headed, but Superman is against the clock. He's not going to kill Batman. He doesn't even want to fight him.

If anything he should have spent the whole fight pleading with Batman to listen to him, only for Batman to ignore him and attack again before Superman can explain that he needs his help.

Instead we get a situation where the script ignores Superman's plight so they can have Superman push Batman away and through buildings.

[Catwoman]

I must have been the only one who clearly heard Supes tell Lois he had to go to Gotham to ask Batman for help or he (Bats) had to die. It became quickly evident Batman had no intentions of helping so he had to beat him down even though he didn't want to kill him (the oft heard line from the trailers "If I wanted it you'd be dead already"). Lex had his MOM and was going to burn her alive if you remember. That would screw with the psyche of any man or superman (or woman for that matter, I would have freaked), especially one already wracked with the amount of self doubt Clark had. So he was totally distracted and not thinking clearly.