Edward Nygma

[The Dark Knight]

It also remains to be seen if Edward is a full quid anymore. The brain drain device possibly left him as a hollow shell of mush. From knowing all your secrets to knowing not much of anything. It's entirely possible he was left in Arkham Asylum permanently. Instead of being a hyped up prankster, he could now be genuinely insane.

[The Laughing Fish]

It also remains to be seen if Edward is a full quid anymore. The brain drain device possibly left him as a hollow shell of mush. From knowing all your secrets to knowing not much of anything. It's entirely possible he was left in Arkham Asylum permanently. Instead of being a hyped up prankster, he could now be genuinely insane.

I agree. The shock that Riddler received from the destroyed Nygmatech device once Batman had destroyed it left him completely certifiable. Instead of seeing Batman coming closer towards him, Riddler only sees a large bat flying at him, which must mean his perception of reality has been distorted.

[riddler]

It also remains to be seen if Edward is a full quid anymore. The brain drain device possibly left him as a hollow shell of mush. From knowing all your secrets to knowing not much of anything. It's entirely possible he was left in Arkham Asylum permanently. Instead of being a hyped up prankster, he could now be genuinely insane.

I agree. The shock that Riddler received from the destroyed Nygmatech device once Batman had destroyed it left him completely certifiable. Instead of seeing Batman coming closer towards him, Riddler only sees a large bat flying at him, which must mean his perception of reality has been distorted.

Once Batman destroyed the device you see him crying "no more" for the riddles; he's not on a quest for knowledge. He's probably left with too many thoughts in his head and more that his brain can handle, leaving him a different type of insane.

[OutRiddled]

I read a theory that he gained all Bruce Wayne's nightmares that's why he hallucinated a bat.  And the end scene has him say "I'm Batman!".  It's a twist of fate that Nygma finally became his idol.

Truly an underrated movie.

[The Dark Knight]

I read a theory that he gained all Bruce Wayne's nightmares that's why he hallucinated a bat.  And the end scene has him say "I'm Batman!".  It's a twist of fate that Nygma finally became his idol.

Truly an underrated movie.

I like that. Bruce also becoming Clear in a sense, to what we see in B&R.

[The Laughing Fish]

I read a theory that he gained all Bruce Wayne's nightmares that's why he hallucinated a bat.  And the end scene has him say "I'm Batman!".  It's a twist of fate that Nygma finally became his idol.

Truly an underrated movie.

I like that. Bruce also becoming Clear in a sense, to what we see in B&R.

Hehehe, if that theory was true, it goes to show how messed up his mind was, doesn't it? Thankfully he recovered from that abyss.

[galenj01]

I read a theory that he gained all Bruce Wayne's nightmares that's why he hallucinated a bat.  And the end scene has him say "I'm Batman!".  It's a twist of fate that Nygma finally became his idol.

Truly an underrated movie.

Everyone quickly dismisses BF, but this is what I mean. There is something here, more in depth, if people care to read into the story a bit more. The main problem is that it is often lumped with B&R. Granted, Schumacher went over the edge on his second time around but the first one is very undervalued. At least it tried to deal with why he is Batman and will continue to do so. They missed a few opportunities with themes but at least it tried to develop the character somewhat.

Rant over 

[riddler]

I read a theory that he gained all Bruce Wayne's nightmares that's why he hallucinated a bat.  And the end scene has him say "I'm Batman!".  It's a twist of fate that Nygma finally became his idol.

Truly an underrated movie.

Everyone quickly dismisses BF, but this is what I mean. There is something here, more in depth, if people care to read into the story a bit more. The main problem is that it is often lumped with B&R. Granted, Schumacher went over the edge on his second time around but the first one is very undervalued. At least it tried to deal with why he is Batman and will continue to do so. They missed a few opportunities with themes but at least it tried to develop the character somewhat.

Rant over 

I think most of us here realize that. Nolan did it as well, the problems of the dark knight rises were there in the dark knight but to a lesser extent.

Each film in that series showed Bruce get out of his shell more
In the first film Bruce Wayne is almost an urban legend in himself so much that investigative journalist Alexander Knox doesn't recognize him and clearly heavily troubled. Batman is also an urban legend
In the second film Bruce is showing his more industrious side meeting with the mayor and going toe to toe with Max Shreck over the power issue. Hes still clearly thinking of his parents hence his sympathy for Oswald. Batman for the most part is seen has being more heroic in gotham aside from the frame job.
In the third film Bruce is running Wayne enterprises, throwing charity benefits etc.  His fears and past are still there but he's actually addressing them. Batman is more public even going to court.
In the fourth film Bruce is no longer tortured, seemingly cured by the events of the third film. Batman now makes public appearances like a celebrity.

[OutRiddled]

Anyone notice the similarities between Edward Nygma and Lex Luthor in BvS (besides appearance/mannerisms)?

*"Knowledge is power" - both say a variant of that line
*Both seen incarcerated at the end, acting insane
*Nygma obsessed with Bruce Wayne and Luthor obsessed with Superman

I'm sure there's more.

[galenj01]

as well as Electro in Spiderman.

Nygma was the template for future movies