Justice League Part 1 starts filming in less than two months

[thecolorsblend]

Another idiotic complaint I saw from that awful Superhero Hype forum (I really should stop lurking there, the majority of posters on that site are Rotten Tomatoes fans and like to perve on celebrity pics) was it's apparently "bad writing and bad editing" that the ending cuts to Lex locked up in prison, without seeing him getting arrested after Superman died to stop Doomsday. According to this "expert", Lex could've been arrested for anything other than setting Doomsday loose on the world. But more so, he argues that it's bad directing that we didn't see Lex's reaction upon getting caught for his crimes.

Golly, that SHH guy was really scraping the barrel for criticisms. There's kidnapping (Lois and Martha), conspiracy to commit kidnapping, misusing government facilities (the scout ship), reckless endangerment (Doomsday tore a lot of stuff up), miscellaneous and sundry laws related to genetic experimentation, miscellaneous and sundry anti-terrorism laws (and Lois has evidence tying Lex to the senate bombing), so on and so forth. It's a pretty target-rich environment. Any decent police department could dig up plenty of evidence for that stuff... but when you figure Lex has the firepower of the entire United States federal government raging against him, he doesn't stand a chance.

P.S. I'm expressing my distaste towards people who have double standards and over-exaggerate their dislike for BvS. Not everyone else who simply didn't like the movie.

Welcome to my world, pal! I've been putting up with double-standards regarding Superman: The Movie for ages now.

If ANY other version of Superman interrupted his big public debut with a jive-talking pimp complimenting him on his clothes, the people who made it would have to go into the Witness Protection Program. But if you have Reeve on the screen and the Williams score blasting loud enough, these types will forgive anything.

Anything.

[The Laughing Fish]

Welcome to my world, pal! I've been putting up with double-standards regarding Superman: The Movie for ages now.

I feel a similar way with Nolan. Put is this way: if other directors had Batman framing himself to protect a murderer's reputation, or Two-Face going on a killing spree by listening to the guy who ruined his life, or Bruce burning down an entire temple right after he claimed he wouldn't be an executioner, they would've had their balls in a vice. Could you imagine if Zack Snyder did that? The internet would have a meltdown. Would Nolan have faced ridicule if he had a scene of Batman realising he went too far when he was about execute Superman? I think he'd be praised for it.

If ANY other version of Superman interrupted his big public debut with a jive-talking pimp complimenting him on his clothes, the people who made it would have to go into the Witness Protection Program. But if you have Reeve on the screen and the Williams score blasting loud enough, these types will forgive anything.
Anything.

I always thought the pimp was serious when he meant "now that's a bad outfit!". As in "that suit sucks"!

Now that you mention it, I hadn't given much thought to that scene until Perry White saying "This isn't 1938 any more!". If you remember, it was during the scene where Clark was arguing about principles over his desire to cover the Batman controversy instead of football. Apparently, some people took it as Snyder saying "Superman sucks", as the rest of the film had people doubting and hating him. If Snyder really thought that, he wouldn't have Superman save the day by sacrificing himself and Metropolis paying tribute in the end, and Batman and Wonder Woman looking to start the Justice League to honour his memory.

Sorry to say, as much as I like Christopher Reeve's Superman, I thought the BvS plot line here is a lot better than Clark suddenly relinquishing his powers in Superman II because he wanted be with Lois. Yes, he redeemed himself in the end, but I still have a hard time he would make such an out of character decision in the first place.

Anyway, here are new casting news:

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/justice-league-cast-julian-lewis-jones-1201808847/

[The Dark Knight]

I wish you guys would see the UC, because there's goodness to discuss. Superman's side of things is much improved. Clark goes over to Gotham twice to pursue the Batman story. You see him in action asking questions. Perry is frustrated because Clark doesn't cover any of his assigned stories. That's all that's about. In the UC you see Perry assigning Clark the football story, which he doesn't do. Then he's invited to the library gala, strongly implied by Lex, which makes the "I love bringing people together line" even better, because Bruce was invited as well. Clark doesn't write the library story either. He believes in truth and justice, and would rather write about Batman.

[Dagenspear]

I feel a similar way with Nolan. Put is this way: if other directors had Batman framing himself to protect a murderer's reputation, or Two-Face going on a killing spree by listening to the guy who ruined his life, or Bruce burning down an entire temple right after he claimed he wouldn't be an executioner, they would've had their balls in a vice. Could you imagine if Zack Snyder did that? The internet would have a meltdown. Would Nolan have faced ridicule if he had a scene of Batman realising he went too far when he was about execute Superman? I think he'd be praised for it.

Batman already knew he was going to execute Superman. The "why" he was going to do it and the "why" he realized he shouldn't I think are the problems some people have. I can't imagine anyone would have a problem with Batman accidentally causing deaths or Two-Face, a character who is a villain by comic lore, being psychologically manipulated into being a villain. Nor do I think they'd take a very strong issue with Batman taking the fall for crimes he didn't commit. There are many people that like both Nolan and Burton and don't take an issue with Burton's Batman's destruction of axis chemicals with, seemingly, people still in there. I'll use my perception as an example. Batman there is an early new vengeful Batman. He doesn't have a no kill rule and he never did. This Batman in BvS is what certain fans were expecting to be definitive and have it all. But, based on outside content, he had a no kill rule, abandoned it with extreme prejudice and then will pretend it matters again after he's proven he doesn't care about it at all like him giving a false speech about how men are still good implies. But your claims aren't exactly justified, considering your tendency to use not true information to try and back up your dislike of the Nolan movies.

Now that you mention it, I hadn't given much thought to that scene until Perry White saying "This isn't 1938 any more!". If you remember, it was during the scene where Clark was arguing about principles over his desire to cover the Batman controversy instead of football. Apparently, some people took it as Snyder saying "Superman sucks", as the rest of the film had people doubting and hating him. If Snyder really thought that, he wouldn't have Superman save the day by sacrificing himself and Metropolis paying tribute in the end, and Batman and Wonder Woman looking to start the Justice League to honour his memory.

That's actually a pretty great way to show your hate for the Superman character while pretending you didn't. Just like the Arrow writers are going to pretend they don't hate Black Canary by giving her a statue it seems and had Oliver make big speeches about how important she was to him when he treated her like garbage, had her fridged for the manpain of 3 male characters by killing her with Oliver's arrow while she was helpless to fight back and had her dying words be that of a moony eyed lovestruck teen about how Oliver would never love her and he should go be with Felicity. They can say and pretend all they want that it was because they didn't have any more story for her and all that nonsense, but we all know the Arrow writers hate Dinah Laurel Lance/Black Canary. They've shown that. Same here. They pointlessly killed his character off and cut him out of the organization of the JL. They had his character act childishly when Batman wouldn't listen to him about his mom being kidnapped and made him waste time by pointlessly fighting with Batman and presented the idea that this version of him could become evil. Nothing says dislike of a character like that.

[thecolorsblend]

Dagenspear, everybody is entitled to their own viewpoint. But if Snyder hates Superman, he's got a funny way of showing it. WB, I could believe they dislike Superman. Or, less seriously, they at least don't get Superman. But I would believe that Snyder and all or most of the casts and crews behind MOS and BVS like Superman.

As to Laurel, I don't really keep up with online scuttlebutt for Arrow but what you say has a ring of truth to it. Which is too bad because I liked her, especially in that Black Canary outfit, mmm...

[riddler]

Snyder is a professional, I can't see any director taking on a title character they hate.

If we want to talk about horrendous editing and directing, how the dark knight scene in which the Joker and his goons attack the Wayne penthouse? The scene cuts away after Batman saves Rachel meanwhile the Joker and the goons are in the penthouse with Alfred there and Harvey Dent locked up. Why does Nolan rarely get called out for that?

It's already been well pointed out in this forum how Nolan and Sam Raimi basically did the same thing with critical villains in the dark knight/spidey 3; brought in the alter ego for most of the film, had them turn into the super villain late in the film for one confrontation and then get killed off. Yet Raimi got criticized while Nolan got praised.

[Dagenspear]

Snyder is a professional, I can't see any director taking on a title character they hate.

If we want to talk about horrendous editing and directing, how the dark knight scene in which the Joker and his goons attack the Wayne penthouse? The scene cuts away after Batman saves Rachel meanwhile the Joker and the goons are in the penthouse with Alfred there and Harvey Dent locked up. Why does Nolan rarely get called out for that?

I don't know if I'd call that a directing/editing problem. More like a writing one. Which Nolan has a hand in too. It's an problem no doubt. Not that I think a scene of Batman going after the Joker and not catching him would be necessary, but it does make a disconnect.

It's already been well pointed out in this forum how Nolan and Sam Raimi basically did the same thing with critical villains in the dark knight/spidey 3; brought in the alter ego for most of the film, had them turn into the super villain late in the film for one confrontation and then get killed off. Yet Raimi got criticized while Nolan got praised.

I think it probably has to do with expectations. People have a thing for Venom, where his character is overvalued. But Raimi used his character as a way to fulfill the theme and while I would like to see the character explored more in another version more like the comics, I'm fine with it. Same with TF. Though I've noticed more of a liking for SM 3 recently.

[thecolorsblend]

It's already been well pointed out in this forum how Nolan and Sam Raimi basically did the same thing with critical villains in the dark knight/spidey 3; brought in the alter ego for most of the film, had them turn into the super villain late in the film for one confrontation and then get killed off. Yet Raimi got criticized while Nolan got praised.

To be fair, Raimi did it to two villains: Venom and Harry as the Green Goblin.

[The Dark Knight]

Guys, I may write an Ultimate Edition BvS review, to coincide with the home video release. It deserves all the praise it gets. I'll probably call the piece 'Snyder's true vision' or something similar. Explaining the new scenes and what they add to the film.

[The Laughing Fish]

Snyder is a professional, I can't see any director taking on a title character they hate.

If we want to talk about horrendous editing and directing, how the dark knight scene in which the Joker and his goons attack the Wayne penthouse? The scene cuts away after Batman saves Rachel meanwhile the Joker and the goons are in the penthouse with Alfred there and Harvey Dent locked up. Why does Nolan rarely get called out for that?

The script had Joker making his escape. My guess is there was a scene filmed but it was cut. Why you may ask? I bet they didn't know how to end the scene. On one hand, the Joker murdering all the penthouse guests would've been way too dark and probably ruin the PG-13 rating. But on the other hand, it might've been uncharacteristic of the psychotic Joker to make a run for it without taking lives for fun. So they might have decided to take the easy way out and cut it to the next scene.