Watching BF Right Now!

[galenj01]

hey just thought I would let you know ive popped it in my PS4 and am watching it right now.

Think ill put Directors Commentary on!

[The Laughing Fish]

There's one thing I'm curious about the DVD commentary: did Joel Schumacher ever mentioned that Two-Face's demise was ambiguous by any chance? I'm asking because somebody here claimed that Two-Face's fall in the end was supposed to be open to interpretation. I don't buy it, but I'd like to know if Schumacher ever confirmed if Two-Face died.

[galenj01]

funny you should say that - he does allude to the fact that it was left open. He doesn't state that he died.

[The Laughing Fish]

funny you should say that - he does allude to the fact that it was left open. He doesn't state that he died.

Thanks for the answer.

My guess is that Schumacher might have been thinking to use Two-Face again for another sequel i.e. a potential fifth film, as a surprise for the rest of the audience. But as time passed by, especially the backlash surrounding Batman & Robin, those plans were scrapped completely.

I for one preferred that Batman did kill Two-Face. Robin was at risk of entering the same path of self-destructive vengeance that Batman and Catwoman entered, and Batman's actions to get Two-Face killed ensured that wasn't going to happen. Experiencing Two-Face's demise allowed Robin to make peace and move with his life without having his death affecting his conscience and continuing to take his anger out on more criminals, like Bruce alluded to doing earlier on in the Batcave. Keeping Two-Face alive would only undermine this crucial character arc.

[galenj01]

Schu stated that he wanted to keep his villains alive just incase the studio wanted to use them again.

[Dagenspear]

funny you should say that - he does allude to the fact that it was left open. He doesn't state that he died.

Thanks for the answer.

My guess is that Schumacher might have been thinking to use Two-Face again for another sequel i.e. a potential fifth film, as a surprise for the rest of the audience. But as time passed by, especially the backlash surrounding Batman & Robin, those plans were scrapped completely.

I for one preferred that Batman did kill Two-Face. Robin was at risk of entering the same path of self-destructive vengeance that Batman and Catwoman entered, and Batman's actions to get Two-Face killed ensured that wasn't going to happen. Experiencing Two-Face's demise allowed Robin to make peace and move with his life without having his death affecting his conscience and continuing to take his anger out on more criminals, like Bruce alluded to doing earlier on in the Batcave. Keeping Two-Face alive would only undermine this crucial character arc.

That wasn't Robin's arc. His arc concluded when he decided not to kill Two-Face. In fact, keeping Two-Face alive helps his arc.

[The Laughing Fish]

funny you should say that - he does allude to the fact that it was left open. He doesn't state that he died.

Thanks for the answer.

My guess is that Schumacher might have been thinking to use Two-Face again for another sequel i.e. a potential fifth film, as a surprise for the rest of the audience. But as time passed by, especially the backlash surrounding Batman & Robin, those plans were scrapped completely.

I for one preferred that Batman did kill Two-Face. Robin was at risk of entering the same path of self-destructive vengeance that Batman and Catwoman entered, and Batman's actions to get Two-Face killed ensured that wasn't going to happen. Experiencing Two-Face's demise allowed Robin to make peace and move with his life without having his death affecting his conscience and continuing to take his anger out on more criminals, like Bruce alluded to doing earlier on in the Batcave. Keeping Two-Face alive would only undermine this crucial character arc.

That wasn't Robin's arc. His arc concluded when he decided not to kill Two-Face. In fact, keeping Two-Face alive helps his arc.

How would Two-Face surviving the fall help Robin's arc?

It's true that Robin had a change of heart and intended to send Two-Face to jail. That was definitely a positive turning point for him as a character. But in the end, Batman's actions avenged Robin's family, and he was relieved to witness the villain's demise. The incident helped Dick to move on with his life, knowing for certain that Dent won't be able to do any more harm.

Besides, don't you think Robin would've had a little bit of an urge to seek revenge again if he found out that his family's killer was still at large?

[galenj01]

what do you thing happened to Claw Island after Riddler was taken away?

[The Laughing Fish]

Nygmatech would have to be closed down, its assets liquidated and the area left deserted.

[galenj01]

the biggest shame is Nygma could have lived very comfortably with the profits from Nygmatech.

that is if no-one looked at the books too closely!