Batman dropping Jack Napier into the vat of chemicals

Started by The Laughing Fish, Fri, 8 May 2015, 09:58

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Quote from: Catwoman on Fri,  8 May  2015, 12:22
I took it more as a "Ok, I'm trying to save you, but your ass is a little too heavy and I don't know what the hell that is and I'm not going to find out with you. Sayonara." lol.
This. :D
You ether die a trilogy or live long enough to see yourself become batman & robin

Yeah, Batman initially seemed a bit upset that he let a man fall to his supposed death, but quickly got over that seeing as there was nothing more he could have done, and Jack Napier wasn't the most upstanding of citizens (having just killed a cop).

Quote from: Slash Man on Mon, 11 May  2015, 03:15
Yeah, Batman initially seemed a bit upset that he let a man fall to his supposed death, but quickly got over that seeing as there was nothing more he could have done, and Jack Napier wasn't the most upstanding of citizens (having just killed a cop).

If two wrongs ever made a right Jack killing Eckhart might have done the trick lol

A couple of observations while looking back on this scene again.


  • This is the first time in WB's filmography where Batman disappears into thin air, while somebody turns their attention away for a moment. All of the other films after B89 tend to have him disappear during an encounter with Gordon, like in the comics, but this is the only time where Batman does this trick to confuse a criminal. In this case, it's right after Napier picks up his gun from the floor and tries to aim it back at Batman. It's a rather underrated moment that the film doesn't get recognised for.
  • Batman using his forearms to protect himself from Napier's gunfire and the bullet ricochets reminds me of Wonder Woman. It's not so surprising because it's later established the entire Batsuit is built for body armor.

Cool scene.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Batman's treatment in this scene is beyond awesome.

Descending from the ceiling and grappling the goon.
Punching the goon from behind the wall.
Flicking his cape to the side as he turns the corner.
Gliding across the catwalk.
Lifting Jack up off the ground.
Disappearing from Jack.
Grappling away through the smoke.
And lastly, swishing his cape and walking away in haste.

The warehouse scene in BvS is mouthwatering, but this scene covers more personality traits and abilities. Burton gave us mystery, strength, stealth and an animalistic persona. Those cape flicks are fantastic and sell the idea 'Batman' is a brand new persona for Bruce once he suits up. B89 was lightning in a bottle in a similar way B66 was.

The most distinctive traits about Batman in this movie are his "phantomesque" movements. How he stretches his cape wide like a bat stretching his wings before he lands on the ground to create this spooky impression on crooks. He does this numerous times in the roof top scene, Axis Chemicals and when he crashes through the roof of Flugelheim Museum. Put that together with Keaton's stern silent acting, it really evokes the imagination as he is a creature of the night.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Wed, 11 Apr  2018, 10:41
The most distinctive traits about Batman in this movie are his "phantomesque" movements. How he stretches his cape wide like a bat stretching his wings before he lands on the ground to create this spooky impression on crooks. He does this numerous times in the roof top scene, Axis Chemicals and when he crashes through the roof of Flugelheim Museum. Put that together with Keaton's stern silent acting, it really evokes the imagination as he is a creature of the night.
I don't think any other Batman movie emphasises the character's animalistic traits to the level of B89. These traits are what seperate Batman from everyone else. Case in point Batman staring straight ahead while Vicki sits beside him in the batmobile passenger seat. He's in character, completely focused on the road and his mission. The simple act of NOT speaking says so much about him. Batman isn't real. He dresses up as a bat and behaves like one. B89 completely embraced these aspects and gave us exactly what the title implies. Not just a SAS soldier who happens to wear a batsuit. He's dark, mysterious, a little on the weird side but still on OUR side.

^ I couldn't agree more. Some people are complaining that we didn't get enough of Batman in the film. I think that what we got was phenomenal.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 14 Apr  2018, 11:41
I don't think any other Batman movie emphasises the character's animalistic traits to the level of B89.

Perhaps, although I think Batman hiding in the top corner of the attic in front of that frightened cop and performing a takedown on a LexCorp security guard in BvS came close.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sun,  8 Apr  2018, 08:19
A couple of observations while looking back on this scene again.


  • This is the first time in WB's filmography where Batman disappears into thin air, while somebody turns their attention away for a moment. All of the other films after B89 tend to have him disappear during an encounter with Gordon, like in the comics, but this is the only time where Batman does this trick to confuse a criminal. In this case, it's right after Napier picks up his gun from the floor and tries to aim it back at Batman. It's a rather underrated moment that the film doesn't get recognised for.


I love how Jack seemed so confused or unsure just what the hell was going on, which we're led to believe is totally out of character for him (like Alicia says, "You don't worry about anything, do you?" not to mention him keeping his cool when he realizes they've been set up). Doesn't last long since he sees Eckhardt and gets back on task, but that momentary lapse for him was a great illustration of what Batman does to even the savviest bad guy and proves the costume and so forth works. Love it.