Batman dropping Jack Napier into the vat of chemicals

Started by The Laughing Fish, Fri, 8 May 2015, 09:58

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Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat,  8 Dec  2018, 23:51
So many great details like that in B89. A samurai jumps out of nowhere and what does Batman do? He stands firm like an immovable object, put up his fists and begins SWORD PUNCHING. Nothing phases Bats in this film. Even when Ray Charles begins his beatdown, Bats fronts up and takes the heat -long enough to win/end the fight.
And he won by playing rope-a-dope... after surviving his customized jet crashing in the street below.

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat,  8 Dec  2018, 12:30
I don't think I agree with that. Pretending to surrender and then using smoke bombs to mask his escape says something about Batman. Being told to surrender and then openly refusing says something else about Batman. Something different. In the latter scenario, Batman is shown being in control of the situation from start to finish.

Napier staggering off the platform and falling into the acid without interacting much with Batman gives the characters and the audience a certain emotional reaction. Napier staggering off the platform and being caught by Batman, the characters making physical human contact with each other, staring one another in the eye and then Napier getting dropped (accidentally or not) into the acid gives the characters and the audience a different emotional reaction. In the latter scenario, it gives the Joker a clearer and more understandable grudge against Batman.

The changes are small but I think they add up to big and meaningful differences.

You can say I might've misspoken, but when I said the changes weren't that significant, I meant that the original ideas as drawn in the comic weren't better than what we got in the final cut. I agree with you that little interaction with Batman and Jack makes the more scene nuanced, as I had already mentioned a few times myself in this thread.

Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat,  8 Dec  2018, 12:50
I think the only thing I regret not being from the comic is the fake money - but alas.

I agree.

Quote from: BatmanFurst on Sat,  8 Dec  2018, 17:23
Quote from: The Laughing Fish on Sat,  8 Dec  2018, 02:32
Hey, has anybody else seen this? This is an alternate cut photo of Batman escaping from the scene while raising his hands in the air, with smoke erupting from the bottom right corner. I got it from one of those Batman Wikia pages online.


There's a documentary that has a brief shot of Batman with his hands up, and dropping the gas pellet. I believe it's part of the special features on the blu-Ray/ DVD.

Okay, I didn't know that. I only have the standard DVD copy of the film without those special features. I thought I'd ask because this site compiled a list of deleted/alternate scenes, but it didn't include that particular moment.

https://www.batman-online.com/features/2012/9/11/batman-89s-lost-moments

Quote from: thecolorsblend on Sat,  8 Dec  2018, 22:29
Quote from: BatmanFurst on Sat,  8 Dec  2018, 17:23To answer your question though I LOVE that he deflects the bullet with his gauntlets. That to me is way cooler than deflecting it with the cape. I just love that the gauntlets have a functional purpose in this film. They don't really become useful again until Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight.
Well, there was that one time...



There's also that other time where Batman had to use his gauntlets to block off those knife attacks during that warehouse scene in BvS. Like in B89, sparks fly as Batman deflects those blades.



QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

Actually sorry I was wrong it's in the Making of a Hero documentary at 0:49.

I remember watching that documentary ten years ago, but I didn't remember that moment. Wow.
QuoteJonathan Nolan: He [Batman] has this one rule, as the Joker says in The Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it. Does he break it in the third film?

Christopher Nolan: He breaks it in...

Jonathan Nolan: ...the first two.

Source: http://books.google.com.au/books?id=uwV8rddtKRgC&pg=PR8&dq=But+he+does+wind+up+breaking+it.&hl=en&sa=X&ei

For anyone who's interested, we have an entire thread dedicated to Batman's alternate escape from Axis Chemicals:

https://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1467.msg24345#msg24345

Unfortunately there are some formatting issues which arose during the site upgrade of 2011. But the thread's there in case anyone wants to use it.

Quote from: Silver Nemesis on Mon, 10 Dec  2018, 13:44
For anyone who's interested, we have an entire thread dedicated to Batman's alternate escape from Axis Chemicals:

https://www.batman-online.com/forum/index.php?topic=1467.msg24345#msg24345

Unfortunately there are some formatting issues which arose during the site upgrade of 2011. But the thread's there in case anyone wants to use it.

I wish the deleted scenes would see the light of day. Hopefully, the 30th anniversary will bring us something special. But somehow I doubt the (probably) impending 4K Blu Ray reissue will include anything new.