Star Wars: The Force Awakens

[The Dark Knight]

Back on subject (and sorry to everyone else for that bit of deviation), has anyone else been following along with the "Where's Rey?" campaign about toys and stuff? Basically, everyone is complaining because there haven't been quite as many toys released of her outside of her standard action figures and stuff. The big thing is them keeping her out of the Monopoly game in favor of Finn (to go along with Luke, Vader, and Kylo Ren).

And I'm like, ok, I get it, but come on. If you put her in the game (which came out before the movie was released IIRC) you're spoiling one of the huge reveals of the movie which is her force sensitivity. Same with the action figure that has her with Luke's lightsaber. They had to freaking wait, people. But people are so impatient and just look for something to complain about. I mean, yes, I get it. If I was a lot younger I would want everything Rey I could get my hands on (instead I was more interested in trying to collect just the action figures of most of the main characters) or if I had a daughter I would have wanted to put a ton of Rey under the Christmas Tree, and there has definitely been a bit less of her compared to other characters. But a lot of that is out of necessity to preserve the plot. I'm amazed how so many people fail to grasp that.

And on top of that, she was already so popular even before the movie came out that what WAS out wasn't out long because it sold out. It took me forever (well relatively speaking lol) to find my Rey action figure and that was by complete accident. Dollar General has Star Wars toys? Who knew!

But alls well that ends well I guess, there are a ton of toys of her coming out in the next wave of stuff including a new Monopoly version that has her.

All of this is just my opinion obviously. I think bottom line, boys like playing with boy toys. It's just how it is. I believe a male youngster is going to pick up a Chewbacca or Han Solo figurine over a female one any day. The toy companies aren't going to say that, but it's how I see things. Young boys are going to be their biggest market.

[Catwoman]

On any site with a moderator who had banned political discussion and was more in tune with American politics (can't be expected here given that Paul is Irish, which you have exploited nicely), your oh-so-unsubtle comments and attempts to bait other users (TDK, Colors, and myself especially) into more outright arguments so you can turn around and run to him and whine that rules are being broken and try to have us banned would have had your ass shipped out a long time ago. You should have at least been suspended for it.

And if you look around, I'm plenty nice and civil with just about everyone else. Thing is there is a lot of hostility here the last several months and the common denominator with that hostility is you.

Hope your week gets better. You're still an asshole.

What's the fact that Paul is Irish got to do with anything?  You're the one who has shamelessly brought it up as if it is material to anything.

And how dare you suggest that this site should pander to conservative Americans.  If you want a Batman site that does that, Batman on Film, run by Jett, already exists.  You and any other conservative Americans on this site are welcome to become members and regular contributors to that site.  Luckily this is an objective, non-political site, far less a conservative American one.  And since you've brought politics into the topic, bear in mind that the US has supported a liberal presidential candidate in the last two elections, and looks poised to make political history by giving a successive third term to another liberal in November (and God help the world, particularly minorities such as Mexicans and Muslims, along with most women, the mentally ill and the poor, if they don't).

If you can't accept a difference of opinion, that's your problem, but that does not excuse personal abuse and insults, something which I have not directed towards you (the worst you could accuse me of is calling your behaviour 'shameless' with respect to your irrelevant reference to Paul being Irish which is hardly on par with calling a person an 'asshole' or 'stupid', 'ignorant' and 'pompous' entirely unprovoked).

In any case, you have just basically admitted that you think I should be forced to leave this site simply because my political views do not correspond with yours and a couple of others (and whatever my political differences with say colors, at least he has been civil and polite, and certainly not resorted to nasty personal insults, the same for that matter can be said of TDK as much as he may despise many of my views).

Paul being Irish is relevant in that being Irish, he probably is not in tune with (and cannot give anything resembling a sh*t about) American politics so he would miss the little comments you've made (such as the neurosurgeon remark) that the rest of us immediately latch onto. In no way was I insulting him, just explaining why you seem to be able to keep getting away with this crap.

Where did I suggest that it should pander to anyone? All I said was that Paul made a rule, the rest of us are able to follow it but you continue to post stuff just trying to get a rise out of people. You should have to follow the same rule the rest of us do, yet you keep getting away with this crap.

Your opinion doesn't mean sh*t to me one way or the other at this point. You're irrelevant to me and I think most of the active users of this site at this point. The only reason what you say matters is that you went to Paul trying to get TDK and I banned for breaking that rule when we were discussing the merits of the man likely to be the next President of the United States because you got your little feelings hurt because you don't like that person, yet you turn around and continually make comments denigrating said person. To call you a hypocrite would be an insult to the good hypocrites of the world.

And I didn't admit anything of the sort, but you have proven time and time again your ability to take something a person says and try to twist it and turn it until you're the victim. This is nothing new coming from you. I said you should be banned or at least suspended for continuously trying to bait the rest of us. It has nothing to do which direction the bait goes.

Finally:



That's my mic-drop moment. I'm done with you. From now on I'll just resort to reporting every post you make where you try to bait us, and I urge the others to do the same.

[Catwoman]

Back on subject (and sorry to everyone else for that bit of deviation), has anyone else been following along with the "Where's Rey?" campaign about toys and stuff? Basically, everyone is complaining because there haven't been quite as many toys released of her outside of her standard action figures and stuff. The big thing is them keeping her out of the Monopoly game in favor of Finn (to go along with Luke, Vader, and Kylo Ren).

And I'm like, ok, I get it, but come on. If you put her in the game (which came out before the movie was released IIRC) you're spoiling one of the huge reveals of the movie which is her force sensitivity. Same with the action figure that has her with Luke's lightsaber. They had to freaking wait, people. But people are so impatient and just look for something to complain about. I mean, yes, I get it. If I was a lot younger I would want everything Rey I could get my hands on (instead I was more interested in trying to collect just the action figures of most of the main characters) or if I had a daughter I would have wanted to put a ton of Rey under the Christmas Tree, and there has definitely been a bit less of her compared to other characters. But a lot of that is out of necessity to preserve the plot. I'm amazed how so many people fail to grasp that.

And on top of that, she was already so popular even before the movie came out that what WAS out wasn't out long because it sold out. It took me forever (well relatively speaking lol) to find my Rey action figure and that was by complete accident. Dollar General has Star Wars toys? Who knew!

But alls well that ends well I guess, there are a ton of toys of her coming out in the next wave of stuff including a new Monopoly version that has her.

All of this is just my opinion obviously. I think bottom line, boys like playing with boy toys. It's just how it is. I believe a male youngster is going to pick up a Chewbacca or Han Solo figurine over a female one any day. The toy companies aren't going to say that, but it's how I see things. Young boys are going to be their biggest market.

You're not wrong. You're pretty right, which is sad. Not that you're right (lol), I mean that girls aren't interested. I can't imagine life not having action figures and stuff in it. Yes I wanted dolls and stuffed animals but I wanted figures and toy cars and all that good stuff too. I think I had a very strong imagination because of it. I'm glad I enjoyed that stuff. You're right, if more girls did, we'd have more toys of our gender. And I will disagree a little that I do think boys would maybe enjoy having the girl around, if only to save her (uggg lol). But they're going to go for Han or Chewie first, you're right.

[johnnygobbs]

There's no need to deflect or mischaracterize in this discussion; sticking to the points will be good enough.

If Catwoman didn't want me to address those points I'm not sure why she brought them into the discussion.

As for the accusations, I have in the past argued with certain posters who have brought explicit politics into the forum.  For what it's worth, I don't care what political position various posters subscribe to, but if they're going to start making points that have a racist, homophobic or sexist edge to them I do object because this potentially alienates black/ethnic minority, gay/transgender and female posters among other minorities.  Since certain political candidates have been quite explicit in demonising various minority groups posts advocating these candidates have the same potential effect.  By all means bring up right-wing politics as much as you like, but be conscious of anything that advocates bigotry towards minorities some of whom may be members of this site, or may wish to become members of this site.

If I've come to blows over some posters here over these issues I make no apology.  I don't want to see this site become a 'no go' zone for minorities.  There are plenty of sites across the web, including some Batman fansites, where that type of bigotry is accepted.  I don't know Paul very well but I suspect he wouldn't want this site to be a 'no go' zone for minorities either, and that has nothing to do with him being Irish.

[johnnygobbs]

I'm pleased I don't matter to you Catwoman.  Good.     That being the case, can you please not respond to my posts in future.

You asked me to do the same a while back and I respected that wish, so respect my wish.  And stop pming me to as you did a month or so back.

I want nothing to do with you, and I thought you felt the same way about me, so stop frigging answering my posts.

And nice try with the Bill Clinton baiting.  But the funny thing is, I don't like Bill Clinton either; never have.  Lucky thing is, he's not running for the Presidency this year, but another sexist sleazeball with various allegations of sexual assault to his name is...   And before you say it, Hillary is not her husband's keeper, and most people who support women's rights don't hold women responsible for piggish men.

[Catwoman]

In that case, hi.

[thecolorsblend]

There's no need to deflect or mischaracterize in this discussion; sticking to the points will be good enough.

If Catwoman didn't want me to address those points I'm not sure why she brought them into the discussion.

Are you a sociopath or something? This isn't about her, it's about you. You DIDN'T address her points. You made up imaginary arguments and then "refuted" those.

As for the accusations, I have in the past argued with certain posters who have brought explicit politics into the forum.

And when you started losing the argument (as was inevitable), you went crying to Paul about it.

but if they're going to start making points that have a racist, homophobic or sexist edge

Imagine the world's smallest violin playing right now.

Since certain political candidates have been quite explicit in demonising various minority groups posts advocating these candidates have the same potential effect.  By all means bring up right-wing politics as much as you like, but be conscious of anything that advocates bigotry towards minorities some of whom may be members of this site, or may wish to become members of this site.

Generally I've avoided politics on this forum, partly because you can be depended upon to throw a tantrum when, GASP!, not everybody thinks the way you do. This truth doesn't keep me up at night but I've never seen it fail to set you off the deep end.

If I've come to blows over some posters here over these issues I make no apology.

Why should you? You got the selective, one-sided moderating you wanted. Victors don't apologize.

I don't want to see this site become a 'no go' zone for minorities.

What you want is for this site to be a no-go zone for anybody who doesn't agree with you.

I don't know Paul very well but I suspect he wouldn't want this site to be a 'no go' zone for minorities either, and that has nothing to do with him being Irish.

You still don't get it. It was didactically explained for you. Catwoman did everything short of using pictures. And you still don't get it. I mean, that's... wow...

[Catwoman]

LMAO!

[Catwoman]

I'm teetering dangerously close to starting to adore this guy...

[Edd Grayson]

I'm teetering dangerously close to starting to adore this guy...

Hopefully they'll give him more to do in Episode 8.