Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice

[riddler]

another great post SN

The Nolan films aren't for everyone and I'm one of them especially the dark knight rises; I've seen that film 3 times and honestly have no ambition to ever see it ever again. I found it dull, boring, humorless, pretentious, and depressing. Man of steel I had the same complaints. Even the critics are levying these same complaints at BvS which worries me because critics typically enjoy boring films.

I'll give it a shot but I'm very skeptical. It seems 1 billion dollars at the box office will be the determining factor of success or failure. A lot of people bought advanced tickets, let's see what kind of numbers it brings in week 2 or 3.

I'm reminded of the battle it had with Captain America Civil war; if you recall, Marvel set its release date first (when it was only announced as Captain America 3 and not yet the civil war), WB set the same day for BvS in an attempt to bully marvel but marvel didn't back down. A lot of people felt not only was WB acting childish, they weren't showing business saavy as Marvel could afford to have a film under perform at the box office while DC/WB had EVERYTHING riding on this film.

I wonder what will happen if Civil war outperforms this one at the box office?

[BatmAngelus]

Well said, SN.

It wouldn't be the first time WB pulled the plug on a Justice League movie at the last second (and to think, we could have had a George Miller-helmed JLA film 5 or 6 years ago, but they went with Snyder instead ).

I read the script for that film. While it needed a dialogue polish and Miller's casting choices were odd, the script was much better than what we got for Dawn of Justice. Hell, I'd say it was better than the DC films in the last 7 years (Dark Knight Rises, Man of Steel, DOJ).

I agree that Snyder absolutely has to go. Goyer's already out and, considering how the script for DoJ turned out, I'd boot Terrio off too.

Keep Snyder's visual designs (at least for Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman).

Make Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman as good as they can be. The positive response to Affleck's Batman and, potentially, warm reception to SS could get people excited about a new Batman film and if Affleck doesn't want to direct, perhaps David Ayer will, but I'll wait to judge Suicide Squad before championing him. I'm hoping that film will earn back the good will that DoJ has squandered.

And I think it's about time we see the Batman family on film: Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl/Oracle. Let's explore "established Batman" territory that Burton, Schumacher, and Nolan didn't get to touch.

I'd put Justice League on hold until the films have earned enough interest and love from the audiences for them to want to see it. I've wanted to see a JLA movie for years and DOJ did nothing to excite me for a Zack Snyder JL movie.

Hold off on a new solo Superman film until you get a writer and director who are actually interested in exploring Superman as a character and not about exploring him as some kind of a messiah figure for other, more interesting characters to react to. Cavill is a solid choice for Clark Kent and it's time he gets a movie that he deserves. Today's jaded audience see Superman as boring and one note. Superman Returns, Man of Steel, and now Dawn of Justice have done nothing to change that and given us a Superman with a pretty lifeless personality and have failed to have him connect with audiences.

Give us a creative team who'll make us excited about Superman again. Give us new Superman villains. Give us more Silver Age or Post-Crisis elements that we haven't seen on film before. Flesh out Clark's life in the Daily Planet. Actually make me give a crap about him and Metropolis and why he loves that city. And recast/re-envision Lex Luthor while you're at it.

The DC Cinematic Universe already has solid casting and character designs for Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. It's what's going on behind the camera that's letting it down and needs to be fixed.

[johnnygobbs]

Spot on Silver Nemesis! 

And shivering Jeremy Irons, or should that be 'young Alfred' is a nice touch. 

[johnnygobbs]

The DC Cinematic Universe already has solid casting and character designs for Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. It's what's going on behind the camera that's letting it down and needs to be fixed.

Agreed BatmAngelus.

If anything potentially good comes out of this apparent farrago it's the casting for the three lead superheroes.  Cavill already convinced me by providing the best live-action Superman performance since Christopher Reeve in MOS, whatever else I may have felt about that film (and to be honest my feelings are actually mixed rather than completely negative, although that's still not good enough for what is supposed to be the first film in an extended cinematic universe), and he, Affleck and Gadot certainly look the parts of their respective characters, and have the acting chops, or at least the right screen persona and charisma, to evoke their essence.

I truly hope that regardless of whatever happens with the long-term future of the DCEU, Warner Bros convince Cavill, Affleck and Gadot to stick with their parts, because it would be a massive shame to see them reboot/revise their plans, as many of us are rather hoping, whilst ending up having to cast around for actors who don't fit these characters so well.

[The Joker]

Going to a late showing tonight at 10pm. My once high expectations are most definitely in check.

[Catwoman]

Going tomorrow at 7. I'm excited til I have reason not to be.

[The Laughing Fish]

I just saw on the Batman-Online Twitter page that Paul (I assume?) decided not to take his kids because it's too violent and graphic.

Is that true Paul? I always thought Batman Returns was the most graphic in terms of violence in the franchise, but it sounds like this film has gone overboard.

[Paul (ral)]

It's a different kind of violence. A little sadistic. Plus there are some scenes that are top graphic in terms of imagery and what's implied, for young viewers, I feel. Obviously I don't want to go into them incase of spoilers...but they were needless.

[johnnygobbs]

It's a different kind of violence. A little sadistic. Plus there are some scenes that are top graphic in terms of imagery and what's implied, for young viewers, I feel. Obviously I don't want to go into them incase of spoilers...but they were needless.

Without referring to specifically to BvS, and simply going back to The Laughing Fish's earlier post, would you say that Batman Returns' violence is more comic/absurd/fantastical, and thus less problematic for younger audiences?

[Catwoman]

It's a different kind of violence. A little sadistic. Plus there are some scenes that are top graphic in terms of imagery and what's implied, for young viewers, I feel. Obviously I don't want to go into them incase of spoilers...but they were needless.

Am I gonna barf my popcorn and Coke onto the person in front of me?