Heath Ledgers Joker

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Fri, 19 Dec 2008, 04:43 #130
dude mangelus read the Eckhart interview above, it pretty much says it right there!


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Fri, 19 Dec 2008, 05:13 #131
Sorry, what I meant was the Joker's role being a Hannibal Lecter-type one in the story for the next one. 
I've read the Eckhart interview and knew about the possibility of Ledger reprising the role, just not in that fashion.
That awkward moment when you remember the only Batman who's never killed is George Clooney...
Fri, 19 Dec 2008, 23:36 #132
Quote from: BatmAngelus on Fri, 19 Dec  2008, 05:13
Sorry, what I meant was the Joker's role being a Hannibal Lecter-type one in the story for the next one. 
I've read the Eckhart interview and knew about the possibility of Ledger reprising the role, just not in that fashion.
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Fri, 16 Jan 2009, 23:45 #133 Last Edit: Sat, 7 Mar 2009, 16:26 by Dark Knight Detective
Here's what I think of Nolan's Joker (I know I might get bashed but I don't let it get to me, so here it goes): Was it really needed to have the Joker return to film? Nicholson's Joker was perfect (still is today).

Instead of using the Joker, why not use the Scarecrow as the main villain, considering how little he appeared in Begins. Not only that, but if this guy is called the Joker, then why doesn't he joke? He does to much brooding. Also, his look doesn't feel fresh.

He looks like the son of Beetlejuice rather than the Joker! ::) I also thought he was too powerful. And what's up w/ the whole "I'm an agent of chaos" thing he's doing? That's one thing I didn't like in the Killing Joke. I prefer the psychotic yet upbeat & comedic Joker who commits crimes just for the sake of putting on a show rather than a Joker who looks like Beetlejuice & is "an agent of chaos" ;D.

"Agent of chaos"? Cut me a break. It makes the Joker sound like he's a regular terrorist. I really DON'T like that for the Clown Prince of Crime! :P
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 01:39 #134
Quote from: The Batman Returns on Fri, 16 Jan  2009, 23:45
Here's what I think of Nolan's Joker (I know I might get bashed but I don't let it get to me, so here it goes): Was it really needed to have the Joker return to film. Nicholson's Joker was perfect (still is today). Instead of using the Joker, why not use the Scarecrow as the main villain, considering how little he appeared in Begins. Not only that, but if this guy is called the Joker, then why doesn't he joke? He does to much brooding.  Also, his look doesn't feel fresh. He looks like the son of Beetlejuice rather than the Joker! ::) I also thought he was too powerful. And what's up w/ the whole "I'm an agent of chaos" thing he's doing? That's one thing I didn't like in the Killing Joke. I prefer the psychotic yet upbeat & comedic Joker who commits crimes just for the sake of putting on a show rather than a Joker who looks like Beetlejuice & is "an agent of chaos" ;D. "Agent of chaos"? Cut me a break. It makes the Joker sound like he's a regular terrorist. I really DON'T like that for the Clown Prince of Crime! :P

Good post, while i personally liked Both Joker's i do agree some of the whole terrorist real world Joker was abit silly. Now Heath really did do an exellent job but it still doesn't warrent an Oscar, but hey there when the sympathy boats sails theres no stopping it. And i understand its a fresh new take on Batman and so a fresh new Joker is needed but don't try and pan it off as the original, since when was the orignial Joker a self mutilating skitzafrenic i don't think he was even if the Nolan fans will have you believe that.
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 08:07 #135
A few points from me regarding the two Jokers.

If we take acting talent out of the equation and who is better (because now I don?t really care), I would find myself being more intimidated by an older Joker like Nicholson. I just think the age thing seems to give an aura of more respect, and also fear. Fearing an older man who can be more built physically and who would have seen it all before. That?s just me, though.
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 08:17 #136
I like both, though Nicholson is my favorite. In my view, I see it like this; Jack Nicholson is the Joker, and Heath Ledger truly became the Joker.
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 14:02 #137 Last Edit: Mon, 23 Feb 2009, 11:10 by The Batman Returns
Quote from: The Dark Knight on Sat, 17 Jan  2009, 08:07
A few points from me regarding the two Jokers.

If we take acting talent out of the equation and who is better (because now I don?t really care), I would find myself being more intimidated by an older Joker like Nicholson. I just think the age thing seems to give an aura of more respect, and also fear. Fearing an older man who can be more built physically and who would have seen it all before. That?s just me, though.


I don't know why people think the new Joker is so scary (I wouldn't be afraid of some guy trying to look like Beetlejuice). I'm glad Ledger wasn't like Romero's Joker, but like him, he lacked something, & that was the humor & flamboyance that the Joker has (in his case, he was more like Hannibal, while Romero was like a regular circus clown). Jack's Joker was terrifying in the sense that he'd joke & laugh about the murders he was going to make or did ("Antoine got a little hot under the collar").
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 21:51 #138
These are great posts guys, and I love Ledgers Joker, but I agree on a lot of what you guys are saying.

I think Ledger done a great acting job as the Joker. He created a great character. But for me it was all one gear, and by the time we get to the final act I am bored of him.

To me Nicholsons Joker is the best, and I never get tired of watching him, no matter how many times I watch the film.

But this is why I think a lot of people, especially who are not Batman fans favour Ledgers Joker - It is because they can relate to his interpretation more than Nicholsons.
They can relate to a guy, who is scarred and who puts on make-up to scare people. they cant relate to someone who falls into a vat of acid and emerges bleached white with green hair and a perfect smile.

Nicholson's character couldn't help who he was, where as Ledger's choose to be who he was. Thats the difference, and this is why I think in this era audience's can relate to Nolans real world Joker more than Burtons fantasy world Joker.

Doesnt mean Ledger is better, just means people can identify with that character better.
Sat, 17 Jan 2009, 22:38 #139 Last Edit: Sat, 7 Mar 2009, 16:28 by Dark Knight Detective
I think everyone could relate to any form of the Joker (except the BB/TDK fanpeople who send death threats). Still, I really can't relate to someone who calls himself the Joker but barely does any of that & looks like the son of Beetlejuice (Ledger's Joker) or a guy who's OTT w/ laughing & barely has any psychotic behavior (Romero's Joker). With Jack's Joker, it's a whole different story (plus I wouldn't be surprised to spot any bleached people). People might not believe it, be it could happen.
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