Heath Ledgers Joker

[Batmoney]

I don't think Two-Face is dead, as a matter of fact I'm like 99.9% sure about it. Mainly because if they killed Two-Face than TDK pulled a Spider-Man 3, and it officially will become a worthless piece of crap!

Nolan likes to play with the people, and he isn't stupid enough to kill off Two-Face after twenty minutes of screen time. Also, I heard Nolan said he would never kill off a main Batman villain. On that note, he did apparently kill of Ras by the looks of it. However, the Two-Face situation wasn't really finalized, and we don't get any kind of an answer to suggest Harvey is actually dead.

[The Dark Knight]

Harvey Dent is dead. End of story. It?s in the script, novelisation and Nolan himself has said so. What else do you want?

No way in hell is TDK a ?worthless piece of crap? for this move. The film is about Harvey?s rise and fall from grace. Joker?s entire endgame is about this, and the film?s title hinges on Harvey?s death and subsequent cover up of it. Harvey Dent had an entire film of air time; let?s not think of Harvey Dent and Two Face as two separate people. So, really, he isn?t killing him off after twenty minutes. He is killing him off after two or so hours.

In this film, Two-Face isn't a villain. He's a vigilante with a personal grudge that can only go so far. He couldn't support his own film as a central villain. Ending it right after the origin story creates a very solid curve for the character. You have to put everything you can into the film and try to make it as great as it can be. Two Face, who already was a tragic character, has become even more so.

Burton killed off villains in both his films, and that is accepted by you lot. You don?t detest the entire film that preceded the death. The difference here is that this death is done with a lot more meaning and substance.

[DarkVengeance]

I don't think Two-Face is dead, as a matter of fact I'm like 99.9% sure about it. Mainly because if they killed Two-Face than TDK pulled a Spider-Man 3, and it officially will become a worthless piece of crap!

Nolan likes to play with the people, and he isn't stupid enough to kill off Two-Face after twenty minutes of screen time. Also, I heard Nolan said he would never kill off a main Batman villain. On that note, he did apparently kill of Ras by the looks of it. However, the Two-Face situation wasn't really finalized, and we don't get any kind of an answer to suggest Harvey is actually dead.

Dude have you read any interviews with Eckhart, Nolan or Goyer? Two-Face is dead and I know it sucks, but if you care about a film having a good meaningful story then you'll see why he did die and in turn why at the end Batman is dubbed THE DARK KNIGHT by Gordon.

I was mad when I found out Dent died (which was 2 months before the film was released over on the HYPE) but when I saw the film, I understood the paradox and completly agreed to the decision they made. Theres so much symbolism in Nolans bat-films and thats one of the great things about them, there are so many great underling themes in his films, which is more meat on the bones than most comic book/superhero films.

Of course I woulda loved to see more of Two-Face, but to compare to that bs tragedy that makes marvel look silly compared to TDK, is just outright insane. Raimi killed off his villains because of plot holes and so that in future films, there would be more room for more villains

The original thought was to have The Joker be caught at the end of TDK, and have him continue into a third film, now we cant have that because of Ledger's death. Jeez dont some of you people ever get into the actual themes of these films, or read any exclusive interviews, I guess not lol.

-DV

[DarkVengeance]

Burton killed off villains in both his films, and that is accepted by you lot. You don?t detest the entire film that preceded the death. The difference here is that this death is done with a lot more meaning and substance.

This quote right here says it all, and while I love the burton and nolan bat-films equally, TDK had much more substance as to why Two-Face died than say any of the villains in burtons films.

NO IT IS NOT BASHING!! It is a statement any non-batman fan or fanboy can easily see when watching the films.

[The Dark Knight]

I am very satisfied with Eckhart's performance. There would be little for him to do if he lived anyway. If alive, which he is not, he would just be locked away from the public - and may as well be dead. What can you do with Two Face in a third, besides retreading elements that were already in the original arc to begin with?

This character will leave an everlasting influence on the audience, more so than he would if he were left alive. The move is bold, and makes great sense in how the story progresses.

It opens up new scenarios, too. This new spin creates a false legacy for the character, becoming a mythical proportion in the eyes of Gothamites, when he in fact ended as a rotten murderer. Gotham City is damaged goods, so it makes sense for its idol to be as well. This affair will be a major scar on Batman?s already unstable reputation ? it?ll be very hard indeed to get that back without revealing the true nature of Dent.

[batass4880]

How do you guys think the death of Heath Ledger will affect the story for the next picture? Aside from his tragic death, it looks like the writer(s) are now in a difficult position.

Personally, I don't think they should mention the Joker in the next movie unless they refer to the things that he did in TDK.

[Batmoney]

I could imagine something along the lines of a shot, perhaps CGI enhanced, of the Joker in a cell in the asylum. Just something short and sweet you know.

[The Dark Knight]

How do you guys think the death of Heath Ledger will affect the story for the next picture? Aside from his tragic death, it looks like the writer(s) are now in a difficult position.

Joker is in his 'padded cell' and that's that. Luckily, his plotline is pretty much over at the end of TDK. Sure, if Heath was alive it could have been expanded, but you can end it right here and nothing is sacrificed. He's done his damage, and Batman is on the run as an accused murderer.

Refer to him and his actions from TDK, but no way re-cast. At the end of TDK, The Joker refers to the possibility of other people in the city losing their minds, these people can take over in number 3. This is the Joker's legacy, inspiring the freaks and getting them out in numbers to terrorize the city.

[thecolorsblend]

Joker is in his 'padded cell' and that's that. Luckily, his plotline is pretty much over at the end of TDK. Sure, if Heath was alive it could have been expanded, but you can end it right here and nothing is sacrificed. He's done his damage, and Batman is on the run as an accused murderer.

Not sure but didn't Nolan recently say that there was never anything planned for the Joker in the third flick?  If we must have a cameo though, use an extra made up to look like Heath.  A quick shot in a darkly lit padded cell without dialogue.

Really, I question even that but if we must have a shot of the Joker, this would be the way to go, imho.

[The Dark Knight]

Ledger was to reprise the role, and he was to be visited in his cell by Batman throughout the film asking questions, ala the interrogation scene. Kind of like Hannibal Lecter.

If Heath was alive, sure, I'd do that. Now, I suppose you could replace Joker with Calander Man, but I'd just drop it. Let Batman figure it out for himself, a good chance to see some detective work.