Which movie is darker?

[Paul (ral)]

I don't think so.  It was the selling point of the movie. They were concerned about peoples thoughts of the 60's show hampering it.

Michael Uslan had a hard time getting backers for it initially. 

Michael Keaton's casting probably worried them more!!

[Burtonite_08]

But it paid off big time! With the movie becoming the highest grossing films of not only the 80's but maybe of all time. The movie also totally eschewed the public's image of the campy Adam West TV series. As this was dark, serious and brooding.

[thecolorsblend]

I dunno about that.  Moronic print journalists still use BIFF, POW, KERR-PLUNK in, like, 99% of their reviews of anything Batman-related.  I guess they think they're being clever or something.  Twenty years ago, they might have been but now they just look like idiots.  And unoriginal idiots at that.

[Burtonite_08]

I agree LOL

[Joker81]

They do say on the DVD that WB and theater owners were worried about how dark Batman was and how audiances would react. Robert Whurl says this, he says that owners and families where expecting a 'happy happy' movie which Batman was not. to quote Whurl "they were scared"

I think Returns is darker. But where as Batman leaves a, not happy, but satisfying feeling at its ending, Returns I think leaves a very depressing feeling at the end. In the overall film I like the feel of Batman better. Returns is a great film to watch in the winter! lol

[Sandman]

I think Returns is darker. But where as Batman leaves a, not happy, but satisfying feeling at its ending, Returns I think leaves a very depressing feeling at the end. In the overall film I like the feel of Batman better. Returns is a great film to watch in the winter! lol

Joker81 you hit the nail right on the head there i couldn't agree more in the end of Batman the Joker has been defeated, Bruce still has Vicki and the end scene lets you know that Batman is still watching over gotham. But in the end of returns no one really wins Batman stoped The Penguin but it had to come at a result of Penguin's death, The Penguin was a tragic character that even though he was the villian you felt kinda sorry for him and Bruce never gets to be with Selina so he end up alone and on christmas as well . I always hoped for a third movie to finish off the Burton Batman universe just to see how it would all finish up but what did we get nipples,neons and ice puns .

[Burtonite_08]

I just love the whole Batman/Catwoman exchange at the end of Returns. "Why are you doing this"? It was so sad that they didn't end up together. But it wasn't to be as the only way Selina could find inner peace was to kill her creator. Catwoman is both Batman's perfect enemy and soulmate.

[thecolorsblend]

^ Agreed.  Of all the chicks from ANY Batman film thus far (live action or otherwise), BR's Selina is the only one I could see going for the long haul with Bruce.  The very things that drew them together would be what kept them apart.

There's something very Greek about that...

[Burtonite_08]

Exactly. They are both so similar in the fact that they have very dark psyches and have the whole masks thing going on.

[Joker81]

Thanks Sandman.  And also Bruce/Batman fails because he tries to talk her out of killing Shriek and she does it anyway (although he had to die because knew who Batman was now) Your totally right on everything you said.

I think Burton and Keaton should make a 3rd Batman, a sequel to Batman Returns. Losely base it on The Dark Knight Returns, when Bruce/Batman is an old man. And bring Catwman back. Tie up the lose ends. Probably never happen, but just a thought lol