Ben Affleck is Batman

[riddler]

A site makes a few points about Batfleck going forward from Suicide Squad:

http://moviepilot.com/posts/4030213

I am well aware one of the criticisms is the lack of Joker but there has to be more to come. With the Joker apparently killing Robin and corrupting Harley, things are personal with the Joker and the Bat. I'm not sure how much time passes between Harley giving the Joker the machine gun and the end of the film but it seems implied that the Joker has been on the loose for quite some time uncaptured by Batman. So maybe that can be a trait from the comics which the movies (safe for the West series) haven't quite captured until now;

Keaton had no trouble tracking Nicholson but the problem was that he had a big part of the public and police force on his side for most of the film so it wasn't capturing him which would be the conflict for Batman but rather bringing him to justice.

Bale only has 3 scenes with the joker on the outside; one where he does help Gordon capture the joker (intentionally), one in which the Joker attacks the pent house and the final confrontation. The latter two scenes we remain unsure how they ended because of weird editing. The Joker does kind of hint in their final confrontation "we're destined to do this forever" but then that's it for the character.

Leto can be what Nolan talked bout Ledger being; the eternal torementor of Batman. Essentially Batman's kryptonite in which he continues to evade him and the one mystery the world's greatest detective can't seem to solve.

[thecolorsblend]

A site makes a few points about Batfleck going forward from Suicide Squad:

http://moviepilot.com/posts/4030213

Maybe I'm just missing something but I guess I blanked out when Harley was implicated (I really wish these Cheetoh-munching bloggers wouldn't use big words if they don't know their meaning) in Robin's death... or whatever happened there.

As to Batman not covering his tracks, well, Lex Luthor apparently had no trouble figuring it out.

[The Dark Knight]

In my mind, Puddin crowbarred Jason Todd to death and Harley stood by as a witness. Guilty by association. All Puddin would've had to have done is sweet talk the situation. Say Robin and Batman are standing in the way of their ultimate happiness, and killing Robin is one step closer to realising that paradise.

[Silver Nemesis]

Affleck says "I'm not Batman" as he officially retires his cowl on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

Meanwhile Forbes has reported that Robbie's Harley Quinn will not be appearing in James Gunn's Suicide Squad reboot. They're also reporting the Leto Joker movie is cancelled.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2019/02/13/why-the-future-of-dceu-movies-looks-brighter-than-ever/#f675f7e5cc67

Considering Leto's involvement with the new Morbius film, it seems unlikely we'll be seeing his version of the Joker again now.

[thecolorsblend]

The Robbie thing was a surprise. She was the breakout character of the first movie. It's strange that the character looks like she's being abandoned. Suicide Squad came out long enough ago that Robbie should've already made a return appearance as Harley.

I understand that WB is on very shaky and unpredictable ground right now. But they really need to shine spotlights on their few major successes to strengthen their brand.

I realize I'm being a bit of a backseat driver here but COME ON!!!!

[Catwoman]

This was in the article when I went to it:

[UPDATE: I have learned from sources close to production that in fact, the information about Harley Quinn being absent from the new Suicide Squad movie is no longer up to date -- she is indeed expected to appear in James Gunn's The Suicide Squad, which is expected to begin production later this year.]

[Silver Nemesis]

Yes, it seems Robbie's Harley Quinn is in the movie after all. If Leto's Joker has indeed been retired, then that makes her the new clown prince(ss) of the DCEU.

[The Dark Knight]

Snyder made recent comments about Batman's body count in BvS:

"Once you've lost your virginity to this f***ing movie and then you come and say to me something about like 'my superhero wouldn't do that.' I'm like 'Are you serious?' I'm like down the f***ing road on that.

"It's a cool point of view to be like 'my heroes are still innocent. My heroes didn't f***ing lie to America. My heroes didn't embezzle money from their corporations. My heroes didn't commit any atrocities.' That's cool. But you're living in a f***ing dream world."

Snyder indulges in comic iconography and references galore, however he takes a true real world approach when it comes to his depiction of superheroes. It's what grounded Man of Steel and Dawn of Justice. He pushes the material into what some call uncomfortable places – case in point the Metropolis fight with the falling skyscrapers. That sequence alone wipes the floor with anything Marvel. And this approach translates right across the board.

If a real world Batman enters a room and is surrounded by 10-15 heavies, eggs are going to be broken. Moral codes are all well and good, but what does a no kill policy mean when you're about to be killed yourself? Central to everything is your own survival. Even the world's best martial artist is going to be overwhelmed by grenade throwing machine gunners.

As the Dawn of Justice warehouse fight demonstrates, you don't just need skill, but also improvisation and luck. Batman gets shot in the head with a pistol and he also gets stabbed. The real world isn't perfect and clean. If grenades need to be flung back, and crates need to be thrown at heads, you do it. Seconds count, or it's you on the ground. Entering a hostile arena is an acceptance that you will be engaging in violence, and in the fight for your life, other may need to be taken.

Is this a pure representation of the Batman comics? It depends on what comics you're referring to (TDK Returns, Kingdom Come and the early days). Though for me, Snyder's Batman hits the right notes. He's a dark character driven by obsession, using his depression as a superpower. His violence is at a high level because it needs to be when you're attempting a real one man war on crime. That's Batman with a capital B.

Some people will just never get Snyder. I'm not trashing the comics because they are the root of everything, but Snyder elevated them for the sake of cinema. Superman is great because we know he is. But don't kid yourself, folks. He would be booed, harassed and taken advantage of in 2019. This is translated to 'Snyder hates and mistreats Superman'.

Batman may not want to take lives, but it's very likely he will have to through the course of his duties. As Snyder said, it's a cool point of view to think real world heroes would be pure and loved by all, but you're living in a dream world. Hate, fear and depression are substantial themes and Snyder tapped into those to deliver something special, even if it spooked the babies.

Even if Batman knew Superman was innocent, I believe he NEEDED to stomp Superman into the ground for the good of his soul. He NEEDED to get that out of his system. Alfred said it all: everything changed. An adult life devoted to fighting the likes of the Penguin and Joker now meant nothing because an alien made him obsolete. Batman HAD to win that fight to justify his entire career. He met that challenge.

So again, Snyder is someone you either like or you don't. If someone in the street asks you why, just walk away. No conversation was progressed on ignorance. You either get it or you don't.

If Burton, Schumacher and Nolan are allowed to exist, Snyder is as well.

[thecolorsblend]

There are probably a few different ways to depict a non-killing Batman. One is to a show a process-oriented, surgically precise Batman who never involves himself in situations he cannot absolutely control. The warehouse shootout is exactly what this type of Batman would strive to avoid. That has the virtue of harmonizing with a lot of comics. But it's not a very movie-friendly approach for Batman to take.

Anybody who objects to Snyder's remarks has probably never considered what would most likely happen if someone attempts the warehouse rescue in real life. Affleck's Batman took probably the only course of action that guaranteed his survival.

[The Laughing Fish]

Anybody who objects to Snyder's remarks has probably never considered what would most likely happen if someone attempts the warehouse rescue in real life. Affleck's Batman took probably the only course of action that guaranteed his survival.

Try telling that to that f***ing idiot Gerry Conway; he went on Twitter to express how grateful he is now Snyder won't work on DC movies ever again, in response to a piece of sh*t clickbait headline taking the director's words out of context.

https://twitter.com/gerryconway/status/1110242693974614024

It's also quite hypocritical of him to even express any distaste of Batman killing people, because in the Batman #340 issue he wrote together with Roy Thomas, Batman punched the Mole to a likely watery grave. An act he did to not only to protect a friend who sought refuge in Wayne Manor, but to defend himself as well. One thing's for sure, the Mole was never seen or heard of ever again after this issue.



What do you expect from Conway though? He is a delusional, hateful old man who has no respect for reality or intellectual honesty.

But even without referring to the many examples of Batman killing in the comics, you only have to look at all the movies in Warner Butchers' catalogue to realise all but one movie where he didn't kill people. Instead, morons (or worse, liars) still act as if Batman killing people was some shocking reinvention. We get degenerates trying desperately hard making excuses when he does kill, with stupid piss poor reasoning such "he didn't mean to do it" or "at least he said he had a moral code (like that means anything when it gets broken all the time)".

As much as you know how much I hold Nolan in such a very low regard for putting such diseased, illogical ideas into his movies, I blame the brainless masses for eating this nonsense up, and encouraging themselves to make such excuses to defend their favourite interpretation when he kills...while remaining completely oblivious they're defending the character's actions they say they're against. Mindless hypocrites. This only goes to show people don't care about characterisations or stories, they want the characters speak in an idealism that somehow make them feel good, regardless if they actually live up to their beliefs or not. These fools never understood the phrase "actions speak louder than words".

I would respect these idiotic detractors so much more, if they had simply dismissed every Hollywood production for failing to live up their supposed moral standards for the character. If that's the hill they want to die on, they should be f***ing consistent about it. But then again, these people are so full of it, they go praise the Wonder Woman movie as the standard all the DC films should aspire...even though she kills too, and just as ruthlessly.

Excuse me if I went a little out of focus there, but nowadays, I'm convinced discourse surrounding pop culture is so dishonest and poisoned more than ever, to the point I don't believe it can be recovered. We can thank "people" like Gerry Conway for that.