Films that remind you of childhood

[Edd Grayson]

Sorry but the 2005 film is not a very good one for me, still a 7/10 for the wonderful visuals and score.

[johnnygobbs]

Sorry but the 2005 film is not a very good one for me, still a 7/10 for the wonderful visuals and score.

7/10 is still pretty high.  Probably about what the film deserves too.  The visuals, score and music in general are ace.  I preferred the way Charlie and his family were presented in this film too.  They seemed to have stepped right out of the book.

[Edd Grayson]

I know about Charlie's family, but Jack Albertson (the actor who played Grandpa Joe in the 1971 film) seemed to me like the perfect kind grandfather figure.

I have a "rule" of sorts when ranking films:


10/10 for a clear message with excellent acting, visuals and score and personal joy

9/10 for great movies but not worthy of a perfect score

8/10 For movies that are in my eyes good, but not great

7/10 For films that were good in some aspects and not so good in others

6/10 For films where the bad things outdo the good by a slight margin

5/10 For films where the bad clearly overwhelms the good but there's still that trainwreck quality

4/10 For films that I can't even call trainwrecks but complete disasters.


so far, I have only given 2 movies the 4 rating.

[johnnygobbs]

I know about Charlie's family, but Jack Albertson (the actor who played Grandpa Joe in the 1971 film) seemed to me like the perfect kind grandfather figure.

I have a "rule" of sorts when ranking films:


10/10 for a clear message with excellent acting, visuals and score and personal joy

9/10 for great movies but not worthy of a perfect score

8/10 For movies that are in my eyes good, but not great

7/10 For films that were good in some aspects and not so good in others

6/10 For films where the bad things outdo the good by a slight margin

5/10 For films where the bad clearly overwhelms the good but there's still that trainwreck quality

4/10 For films that I can't even call trainwrecks but complete disasters.


so far, I have only given 2 movies the 4 rating.

So what is 1,2 and 3 reserved for?  Do those numbers no exist in your scale? [giveup]

[Edd Grayson]

1, 2 and 3 maybe for those really, really bad B-movies with horrible production vales. I am sure they exist but I wouldn't watch them unless forced to. 

[johnnygobbs]

1, 2 and 3 maybe for those really, really bad B-movies with horrible production vales. I am sure they exist but I wouldn't watch them unless forced to. 

I think 'Battlefield Earth' might still be eligible for a 1 even going by your ranking criteria. 

[The Dark Knight]

I dug the backstory Burton gave Wonkedy Wonk Wonk. His father being a dentist and despising sweets. For that section alone the Burton film has merit to me.

[Edd Grayson]

I didn't like that. For me, the least I know about a whimsical character, the better. Giving him a backstory ruined him for me. As if Johnny Depp wasn't irritating enough in this role. 

[johnnygobbs]

I didn't like that. For me, the least I know about a whimsical character, the better. Giving him a backstory ruined him for me. As if Johnny Depp wasn't irritating enough in this role. 

But surely you liked the 'Flags of the World' scene, right?

I think there is merit to both your view that whimsical characters work best with as little contrivance as possible and The Dark Knight's view regarding the delicious (no pun intended) irony of the world's most famous chocolatier being the son a martinet dentist.  Sure, 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' should ultimately be focused on Charlie, not Wonka, since the latter is meant to be a somewhat mysterious, definitely elusive and almost antagonistic figure but if you're going to give Wonka a background then you'd be hard pressed to come up with something as inspired and well-handled as the gradual reveal into Wonka's childhood in this film.

Plus, being a Burton film there has to be some type of estranged father and son relationship in there somewhere.

[Edd Grayson]

Watch the Nostalgia Critic's "Old vs New: Wonka vs Charlie" (1971 vs 2005) , it sums up my feelings on the two films pretty much.