The Kaiju/Monsterverse Thread (Kong & Godzilla)

[The Joker]

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to a KK vs G re-do. 

Though I certainly wouldn't mind seeing them take 'The Dark Knight' route, in by having Godzilla face off against his most persistent arch nemesis, King Ghidorah!




Though, I have to admit, I would hope, if Ghidorah does show up in a sequel, Ghidorah's initial origin would remain intact. Which was that of a ancient evil marauding space dragon who was responsible for annihilating several civilizations on a number of planets. The whole 'Monster Zero' thing with the alien Xilians could work if they want to go that way, but I just generally prefer the original origin. Wasn't ever too hot on the Heisei origin with the Dorats, but that's just me.

What are your thoughts on the subject?

[BatmanFanatic93]

Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to a KK vs G re-do. 

Though I certainly wouldn't mind seeing them take 'The Dark Knight' route, in by having Godzilla face off against his most persistent arch nemesis, King Ghidorah!




Though, I have to admit, I would hope, if Ghidorah does show up in a sequel, Ghidorah's initial origin would remain intact. Which was that of a ancient evil marauding space dragon who was responsible for annihilating several civilizations on a number of planets. The whole 'Monster Zero' thing with the alien Xilians could work if they want to go that way, but I just generally prefer the original origin. Wasn't ever too hot on the Heisei origin with the Dorats, but that's just me.

What are your thoughts on the subject?

Woot man has Ghidorah been through many changes hasn't he??? okay well if they do decide to have Ghidorah in the sequel they'll ether have him as the good guy or some monster that japan creates to fight godzilla cause remember they're going back to godzilla's dark roots & back then godzilla was the bad guy plus they're going for the real life side to our beloved kaijus so Ghidorah being a ancient evil marauding space dragon or anything that's too sci-fi will be changed greatly just to make him fit in real as something that could happen in the real world. 

[The Joker]

I think with Godzilla, the approach taken is just like that of the Nolan Bat films. Where fans often cite 'realism', where to which there is quite a bit of fantasy going on as well. It's that approach that gives the material the illusion of realism. Which is due in large part to the material being taken seriously.

To me, if we can accept Godzilla, I don't see why Ghidorah being a space dragon being so far fetched. There's a number of ways to go about it, and it could work. Having Ghidorah being on the side humans, especially with a WB-produced setting, would just feel very off to me. As that's doing a disservice to what the character has represented for the majority of it's existence. I give GMAOA a pass on the switch to being a Earth defender, due to it being a Millennium era film that were almost exclusively one offs, but if Ghidorah would appear in a sequel to the 2014 Edwards film, and considering the marketing and larger scope of audiences it would reach, Ghidorah being presented as something non-villainous would just be disappointing.

Actually, a more Heisei approach could be taken. Where King Ghidorah shows up, clearly wanting to destroy the planet, and Godzilla being a territorial beast, and not so much of a Showa Earth Defender, having issues with Ghidorah's objective to say the least.

[BatmanFanatic93]

Be as it may joker i still dislike the nolan films as they changed to much of the characters for my taste plus bales batman voice & the fanboys hateing anything that was successful & good like spider-man,the 90's batman movies,& many other superhero movies that done well in the past but i should probably stop here as i can go on forever on this also i don't wanna get into any fight with those hardcore nolan fanboys as i delt with them in the past.


Well now that i think about it a heisei approach could work more well with 2014 film as that era kinda put somewhat smart logic on where these monsters came from & how they are they were able to live with us like for example Rodan in godzilla vs mechagodzilla 2 they explain that rodan is indeed a pteranodon that evovled further into our timeline plus for it's abnormal size they said that rodan was mutated while in the egg by baby godzilla's radiation that's somewhat believable also & i think Edwards is going by the early showa with Godzilla being the bad guy with abit of the heisei toughness & territorial & zilla look soo King Ghidorah could as they could go by your idea "Where King Ghidorah shows up, clearly wanting to destroy the planet, and Godzilla being a territorial beast, and not so much of a Showa Earth Defender, having issues with Ghidorah's objective to say the least."

[The Joker]

I can understand your dislike for the Nolan films, and it's fans. Though I don't dislike the Nolanverse, I certainly don't find it to be anything 'definitive', nor do I enjoy reading fanboys blasting nearly every Batman media outside of the comics, that came prior to Batman Begins. I remember alot of negative comments thrown towards anything Burton, especially back when the Nolan films were in full swing, and alot of it came across as just being ignorant. However, I think, here lately, the garbage that has been spewed out by hardcore Nolanites for a number of years now, is subsiding. There's more than just one version of Batman, though some just choose to blindly accept only one. Too bad for them.

You know, since you bring up Rodan, I kinda wish, if the 2014 Godzilla film is successful, that there might be some interest in giving Rodan another run as a solo feature film. Now, I would imagine the budget would not be near what it is for Godzilla, but that's fine. I don't think it's necessary for such a budget anyways, and truth be told, I wouldn't mind a 'shared universe' of sorts when it comes to Godzilla. Also, I find the tragic ending of the original Rodan a high mark in the Toho Kaiju universe, and would like to see it acknowledged in a *fingers crossed* potential Godzilla movie franchise...

[BatmanFanatic93]

Thanks for understanding joker but my dislike for the nolan films still remains the same however the only nolan batman film i like out of trilogy is batman begins at least that one was somewhat fun & good for me while the others went too serious & seem to be based on real life events that could happen which is i wanna escape from cause when i watch a comic book movie or sci-fi i wanna escape reality & have fun watching them not think about if it could happen in real life.


Y'know if they do a rodan movie but in the same sytle to godzilla 2014 i kinda wanna see other toho monsters rebooted or remade cause why should godzilla only get the spotlight?I mean i know he's the king of the monsters but it be cool to see his friends & enemies get their own movies with updated looks & origins & then let them have crossover with godzilla himself later on. 

[The Joker]

One of my favorite lines from The Hangover. 



HE DESTROYS CITIES!!!

[BatmanFanatic93]

Yeah except he mistakens godzilla being asian 
Btw major updates joker i recently found out a book company (i forogot their name) are gonna release a Godzilla 2014 Novelization along with a making of the film book by toho on May 20th i swear there's gonna be alot of godzilla goodies when the films comes out !! 

[BatmanFanatic93]

something i did for fun & want to see happen one day 

[The Joker]

Ah, the scene where Godzilla reveals himself. Nice. 

You know, I think I remember from the 2006 Classic Media SE of Gojira/Godzilla KOTM release, that originally, Godzilla was to make his first appearance during that scene with a dead cow in his mouth. Course this was very early on during the project, and never got beyond storyboards thankfully.