The Kaiju/Monsterverse Thread (Kong & Godzilla)

[BatmanFanatic93]

Yes yes i know King Kong's part was originally intended to be Frakenstiens but seeing how king kong is a much formidable  foe & a fan favorite on toho's part i understand  & as for the electrical powers well godzilla does have that weakness in which electricity it does hurt him as shown both eras but sometimes his dorsal fins can asborb that energy & use it against his foes as proven in Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack which on the hand is great film despite what people say but other then that electricity does hurt the big-G but he always comes back to fight    but y'know since you brought up king kong's tragic & romanticized side it has me reminded me that Godzilla also has loving side espcially in son of godzilla,godzilla vs mechagodzilla 2,godzilla vs spacegodzilla,& godzilla vs destroyah i mean despite him being all brooding & serious like batman & his sons Godzilla can be a loving & caring dad just like bats...but can also be abit of a dick sometimes as shown in son of godzilla.XD But y'know in godzilla vs destroyah it really showed how much godzilla loved his son when destroyah killed him & the pain showed when jr died....man that scene where godzilla is trying to revive jr is just heartbreaking  i mean jr closes his eyes & godzilla just bursts out in anger & crying in the state he was in just makes me wish they would have made godzilla kill destroyah in final battle instead of the army killing him 

[The Joker]

Seems like that electricity weakness is sporadic at best though. I want to see if you agree, but like say for instance in n KK vs G, Godzilla is clearly shown to have that weakness. However, in the original 1954 film, Tokyo builds a electrical fence to keep him out, and it flat out fails as it's shown to have little, if any, effect on him. But in KK vs G, there's a scene where Godzilla comes up on one of these fences, and is surprisingly deterred by it. I recall electricity being used on Godzilla by the military in the original 'Godzilla vs Mothra', which was the follow-up to KK vs G, but it appeared to be more of a annoyance than anything else...

Glad to see you like GMAOA! Actually, that's one of my favorites from the Millienium era. I especially thought it was interesting to see Ghidorah used as a force for good. That was different.

I agree that Godzilla has shown emotion in films, and that really showed as the films continued on where he became less of a destructive force, and more of a Earth Defender, and with that, became more humanized as well. Truth be told, I really enjoy 'Son of Godzilla', and find it fun to watch when in the mood to watch a more light-hearted Godzilla movie. Personally, I never found Minya/Minilla to be a negative, and honestly I find him to be hilarious, and charming in his own way. The smoke rings, hopping around Godzilla's tail, islanders tossing fruit into his mouth, that funny cry when he's pitching a fit, funny stuff!

And speaking of Godzilla being shown to clearly have a personality, if KK vs G is ever to be remade, I hope they will exclude those 'Eric Carter' segments that were inserted into the american version of that film. As I remember being a kid, and being completely perplexed on how Eric, and his know-it-all buddy came to the conclusion of Godzilla having the brain the size of a marble. I mean, the Godzilla films never had the tightest continuity from film to film, but that was just something completely out of left field and unnecessary. Though come to think of it, ALL the Eric Carter scenes were unnecessary! But it can be chalked up to being a sign of the times.

[BatmanFanatic93]

Seems like that electricity weakness is sporadic at best though. I want to see if you agree, but like say for instance in n KK vs G, Godzilla is clearly shown to have that weakness. However, in the original 1954 film, Tokyo builds a electrical fence to keep him out, and it flat out fails as it's shown to have little, if any, effect on him. But in KK vs G, there's a scene where Godzilla comes up on one of these fences, and is surprisingly deterred by it. I recall electricity being used on Godzilla by the military in the original 'Godzilla vs Mothra', which was the follow-up to KK vs G, but it appeared to be more of a annoyance than anything else...

Not to disagree with you joker in the 1954 film it does actually hurt him cause you if look closely at the scene you'd see that he observes the electrical fences without making a sound & when he starts to go through them he roars indicating it hurts him & same thing in the original Godzilla Vs Mothra it hurts him but he takes up the strenght to destroy the source in which the electricity comes 

& as for GMAOA are you kidding?I love it it's just like godzilla 1985 where they return to the dark roots of godzilla except making him more meaner & evilier  also Ghidorah being the good guy in the film was abit odd for me i mean it was neat to see a different side of Ghidorah & being used for good a change but cause i'm use to Ghidorah being the enemy of both godzilla & mothra i think it would have made more sense if Ghidorah was the bad guy in the film & have another toho monster be a guardian maybe Anguirus or Varan???

It's good to see a Godzilla fan not be disappionted by the creation of Minya/Minilla & can see the good quality he had as being Godzilla's son good on ya joker. 

& as for the Eric Carter scenes i never had problems with american footage being shot to explain godzilla origins or the events happening in the world infact if you think about it's pretty cool that the United states is aware to godzilla presences thanks to steve martin from 54 & does their best to help tokyo fight & trying to kill godzilla from the world so yeah at least with american footage we know that america knows about godzilla. 

[The Joker]

Not to disagree with you joker in the 1954 film it does actually hurt him cause you if look closely at the scene you'd see that he observes the electrical fences without making a sound & when he starts to go through them he roars indicating it hurts him & same thing in the original Godzilla Vs Mothra it hurts him but he takes up the strenght to destroy the source in which the electricity comes 

I see what you are getting at, but I just have issues on the whole electricity front. As I've always felt Godzilla being hurt by it was simply a plot device to give Kong something of an advantage in KK vs G. With the original 1954 film, it's true Godzilla pauses for a second when approaching the electrical fence, but then goes right thru it. I remember Godzilla roaring as he went thru them, but he also does that when being fired upon, and both seem to have minimal effect at best. In KK vs G, suddenly Godzilla takes a swipe at one of these fences and apparently is hurt as he completely stops his course, inspects the fence, and changes path. Giving the film a plot device. Perhaps my issues with Godzilla being hurt by electricity stems from the later Showa films. As a freakin' lightning bolt wakes him up in 'vs Sea Monster'! With no ill effects, and as you know, a lightning bolt carries WAY more electricity than high tension wires. Plus there's the 1974 'vs MechaGodzilla' where electricity has a positive effect on him rather than being hurt ... just too sporadic/inconsistent for my tastes. 

& as for GMAOA are you kidding?I love it it's just like godzilla 1985 where they return to the dark roots of godzilla except making him more meaner & evilier  also Ghidorah being the good guy in the film was abit odd for me i mean it was neat to see a different side of Ghidorah & being used for good a change but cause i'm use to Ghidorah being the enemy of both godzilla & mothra i think it would have made more sense if Ghidorah was the bad guy in the film & have another toho monster be a guardian maybe Anguirus or Varan???

That's pretty much why I found it a cool change. With the Millennium Era not having a strict continuity whatsoever, it was something they could do and get away with by making Ghidorah a good guy for once. Which I found refreshing. But I agree that if it was during the Showa/Heisei eras, it would have made absolutely no sense. Anguirus would have been cool, but ultimately I'm glad Toho tried something a little different with that film.

It's good to see a Godzilla fan not be disappionted by the creation of Minya/Minilla & can see the good quality he had as being Godzilla's son good on ya joker. 

& as for the Eric Carter scenes i never had problems with american footage being shot to explain godzilla origins or the events happening in the world infact if you think about it's pretty cool that the United states is aware to godzilla presences thanks to steve martin from 54 & does their best to help tokyo fight & trying to kill godzilla from the world so yeah at least with american footage we know that america knows about godzilla. 

The american Eric Carter scenes are just funny to me. Upon breaking out of the iceberg, a helicopter pilot screams, "GODZILLA!!!" upon the sight of Godzilla breaking free. The film then cuts directly to Eric Carter, who says something along the lines of, "The world is stunned to discover that prehistoric creatures exist in the 20th century" .... errrr .... were Godzilla's rampages in '54, and '55 suddenly forgotten? Not to mention the fight with Anguirus ... How are people stunned by this? Don't get me started on Dr. Johnson's "theories". 

[BatmanFanatic93]

Jeez when you put it that way about electrcity being godzilla's weakness & not being effective later on in the showa series your right  & as for Godzilla being forgotten remember in godzilla's raids again the US was unaware that godzilla was back infact i don't think tokyo even told them that godzilla was back nor did godzilla leave tokyo to be re-dicovered by the world so i think they kept it secret from them as they already put godzilla in ice later in the film ether declaring him dead or the situtation under control which would let the world to believe godzilla was gone for good....yeah right.XD
So that's why i think why the world was shocked to know godzilla was still alive.

[BatmanFanatic93]

& btw joker consider youreself added to my buddy list 

[The Joker]

Jeez when you put it that way about electrcity being godzilla's weakness & not being effective later on in the showa series your right  & as for Godzilla being forgotten remember in godzilla's raids again the US was unaware that godzilla was back infact i don't think tokyo even told them that godzilla was back nor did godzilla leave tokyo to be re-dicovered by the world so i think they kept it secret from them as they already put godzilla in ice later in the film ether declaring him dead or the situtation under control which would let the world to believe godzilla was gone for good....yeah right.XD
So that's why i think why the world was shocked to know godzilla was still alive.

You know, I could live with the US not being fully aware of what was actually going on during the events of "Raids Again", but I would have a hard time believing it could have been kept under wraps. I mean, if an american, brit, or what have you visited during the time of reconstruction, it would seem pretty obvious something happened. As the fight between Godzilla and Anguirus definitely caused some destruction, as well as a fairly substantial death toll. It would be like, "Hey ... what happened here?" and the response from locals, "Oh, nothing ......" 

I think if Eric Carter would have phrased it more along the lines of the way you are putting it, BatmanFanatic93, it would have played alot better. It's just the clunky line he spews out that makes it comes across as if the world had no prior knowledge of Godzilla until he broke out of the iceberg. As he doesn't even say the name 'Godzilla', but rather 'Prehistoric Creatures', despite the just-previous scene of the pilot spotting Godzilla, and clearly being aware of the radioactive storm that was coming following that.

& btw joker consider youreself added to my buddy list 

Awesome. 

[BatmanFanatic93]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp8nhnh6XIY&list=FLSuPogjSvr2WcoFhdi_QCUw&index=6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFD9ZEXHxBA&list=FLSuPogjSvr2WcoFhdi_QCUw&index=7
I hope we'll hear godzilla's theme in the reboot it be cool to hear choir in it for added effect & epicness 

[The Joker]

That would be cool.

Speaking of nods to the fans, I'm really happy that  Akira Takarada will be making an appearance in the 2014 film!

[BatmanFanatic93]

Same here joker 
Hey joker if the Godzilla 2014 movie is a hit what do you hope the sequel will be like?For me...well pretty obivious King Kong Vs Godzilla.