The Kaiju/Monsterverse Thread (Kong & Godzilla)

[BatmanFanatic93]

Haha thanks & how ironic my mom does the same with me with godzilla however after years of watching the G-films with me when i was a little kid shes a fan even today  Also i agree with you about Godzilla 1985 getting a DVD/Bluray release when Godzilla 2014 is playing in theaters heck i would love the whole G series getting DVD/Bluray release with deleted scenes,special features,& other goodies in the disc  ...btw just out of the subject didn't you find it weird that when godzilla was shot in mouth by the super-X he starts roaring like the showa godzilla i mean what's up with that? 

[The Joker]

I assume just a nod to that specific era? Admittedly, I'm not good at distinguishing roars from the Godzilla films. I mean I know it, but never really took the time to pay attention and say a specific roar is definitely from this particular Godzilla film/era. Interestingly enough, there's a youtube channel with a guy who gives fairly good up-to-date information on the upcoming film, and he suggested that the big G's signature roar sounded more like a scream than any other prior version so far. Again, I couldn't tell lol, but found it a curious suggestion if anything.

One thing I can say about '85, is that I found it, for a number of years, to be the most heart-breaking Godzilla movie out there. As I remember thinking that Godzilla was actually destroyed at the very end of the film. Keep in mind though, this was BEFORE any knowledge of Toho continuing on, and actually I might have watched '85 before Biollante was even made, but I do vividly recall that ending being particularly emotional. Especially with Raymond Burr's great narration added as well. Who, to his credit, was taking the material seriously, where it's easy to tell other cast members ... not so much.

[BatmanFanatic93]

I assume just a nod to that specific era? Admittedly, I'm not good at distinguishing roars from the Godzilla films. I mean I know it, but never really took the time to pay attention and say a specific roar is definitely from this particular Godzilla film/era. Interestingly enough, there's a youtube channel with a guy who gives fairly good up-to-date information on the upcoming film, and he suggested that the big G's signature roar sounded more like a scream than any other prior version so far. Again, I couldn't tell lol, but found it a curious suggestion if anything.

One thing I can say about '85, is that I found it, for a number of years, to be the most heart-breaking Godzilla movie out there. As I remember thinking that Godzilla was actually destroyed at the very end of the film. Keep in mind though, this was BEFORE any knowledge of Toho continuing on, and actually I might have watched '85 before Biollante was even made, but I do vividly recall that ending being particularly emotional. Especially with Raymond Burr's great narration added as well. Who, to his credit, was taking the material seriously, where it's easy to tell other cast members ... not so much.

Hm probably but i still find it weird though & as for the ending i agree with you..i swear no matter how old i get i always hold back tears when godzilla is falling into Mt. Mihara i mean yes Godzilla has caused so many deaths in the past but he himself is a victim as well why?First off he his the last of his kind,we created him by over using our nuclear
weapons & destroying life in the process,& thus he comes back to life as a force to be reckoned with & shows us the wrongs & sins of what we created by using nuclear power...it's a amazing that what was suppose to be a sci-fi monster movie back in 50's turns into something more years later despite people just seeing a fire breathing dinosaur attacking japan however i do have one thing to say to those who haven't seen Godzilla watch the original 1954 version & 56 dub as both version keep the moral & tone of Godzilla both films will give you the jest that Godzilla is not some movie monster but instead a symbol that was carried for over 60 years.

[The Joker]

Wholeheartedly agree!

Godzilla may have been influenced by 'The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms' in it's early conception, but the film became so much more than 'Beast'. Where 'Beast' was essentially a standard Monster on the Loose story with great special effects, Godzilla had much more of a dramatic storyline, and effectively evoked the monster as an allegory of the horrors of war, and the age that was brought forth as well. For a country that had experienced first hand the power of the bomb, the original 1954 Gojira especially resonated with audiences. The 1956 americanized version isn't quite as good, but it also told a story in a effective way (much more documentary like since much of the film is essentially a flashback, as we open up to Tokyo already in ruins), as well as being the film that made Godzilla a cultural icon. So, it too, deserves it's recognition.

[The Joker]

Probably only the more adamant fans of Godzilla are aware of this, but here are photos of the 'warty' Godzilla model that was considered for the Monster's appearance in Gojira.





But of course we got the more alligator/crocodile look appearance that was decided as the final look.

[BatmanFanatic93]

Wholeheartedly agree!

Godzilla may have been influenced by 'The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms' in it's early conception, but the film became so much more than 'Beast'. Where 'Beast' was essentially a standard Monster on the Loose story with great special effects, Godzilla had much more of a dramatic storyline, and effectively evoked the monster as an allegory of the horrors of war, and the age that was brought forth as well. For a country that had experienced first hand the power of the bomb, the original 1954 Gojira especially resonated with audiences. The 1956 americanized version isn't quite as good, but it also told a story in a effective way (much more documentary like since much of the film is essentially a flashback, as we open up to Tokyo already in ruins), as well as being the film that made Godzilla a cultural icon. So, it too, deserves it's recognition.

*Claps*i-i couldn't have said it better then myself joker bravo

[BatmanFanatic93]

I'm glad they went with the alligator/crocodile look appearance for the big-G,Hey joker question if they do a king kong vs godzilla remake as a sequel to the 2014 Godzilla film you think they'll use that false rumor double ending where in USA kong wins & in the JAP Godzilla wins??Or will they make king kong win again?

[The Joker]

I'm glad they went with the alligator/crocodile look appearance for the big-G,Hey joker question if they do a king kong vs godzilla remake as a sequel to the 2014 Godzilla film you think they'll use that false rumor double ending where in USA kong wins & in the JAP Godzilla wins??Or will they make king kong win again?

Personally, I think King Kong would still remain the victor if KK vs G ever got remade. I'm sure you know, but for others, Kong would get a 'boost' to even be considered an opponent to Godzilla, much like how he was in the original 1962 film, but in the end, I think Kong would win out. Godzilla, in the original movie, was portrayed as the villain, and I always thought it made little sense for him to win in the much rumored double ending. As he's clearly shown to be aggressive towards humans and the military, where Kong was put to sleep, and brought to Japan by a goofball advertiser as an attraction. I mean, I understand the notion of Kong representing the West, and Godzilla, the East, but storyline-wise, it just made little sense. I suppose they could always go with the idea of both monsters being simply territorial, but I think Toho had it right by making Godzilla more of the 'destructive force', where Kong was more of a sympathetic monster with heart that kept on getting back up no matter how many times he's knocked down.

I've actually got a few books going over the history of Godzilla, and Toho are very big fans of Kong. Actually, they wanted to do an entire line of Kong films, much like Godzilla, but RKO nixed it. However, Toho had the option to do one more, and that became "King Kong Escapes". Godzilla vs The Sea Monster was designed as a Kong feature, but due to the RKO decision, Godzilla was brought in as the replacement. I think Toho tried again in the 1990's, but Universal wasn't hot on the idea. 

[BatmanFanatic93]

I'm glad they went with the alligator/crocodile look appearance for the big-G,Hey joker question if they do a king kong vs godzilla remake as a sequel to the 2014 Godzilla film you think they'll use that false rumor double ending where in USA kong wins & in the JAP Godzilla wins??Or will they make king kong win again?

Personally, I think King Kong would still remain the victor if KK vs G ever got remade. I'm sure you know, but for others, Kong would get a 'boost' to even be considered an opponent to Godzilla, much like how he was in the original 1962 film, but in the end, I think Kong would win out. Godzilla, in the original movie, was portrayed as the villain, and I always thought it made little sense for him to win in the much rumored double ending. As he's clearly shown to be aggressive towards humans and the military, where Kong was put to sleep, and brought to Japan by a goofball advertiser as an attraction. I mean, I understand the notion of Kong representing the West, and Godzilla, the East, but storyline-wise, it just made little sense. I suppose they could always go with the idea of both monsters being simply territorial, but I think Toho had it right by making Godzilla more of the 'destructive force', where Kong was more of a sympathetic monster with heart that kept on getting back up no matter how many times he's knocked down.

I've actually got a few books going over the history of Godzilla, and Toho are very big fans of Kong. Actually, they wanted to do an entire line of Kong films, much like Godzilla, but RKO nixed it. However, Toho had the option to do one more, and that became "King Kong Escapes". Godzilla vs The Sea Monster was designed as a Kong feature, but due to the RKO decision, Godzilla was brought in as the replacement. I think Toho tried again in the 1990's, but Universal wasn't hot on the idea.

Wooot You sure done your homework Joker infact i already knew about King Kong escapes & other toho films that were suppose to star our hairy friend but was replaced by godzilla due to copyrights heck i'm still buthurt that they couldn't remake king kong vs godzilla in the 90's cause that would been an awesome experience to see our favorite titans battle again with updated looks & powers however with that aside i understand what toho was going for in King Kong Vs Godzilla with them making Kong the victor but as a hardcore G-fan i am i still say godzilla would have won the fight even with Kong superpowered by electricity cause let's face it godzilla has been hit with bullets,bombs,& missiles & always survives & blows up everything up without even trying & kong well he was shot down by planes...yeeesssh
i'm not trying to be a hater towards kong heck i'm a fan of his i'm just pointing out the facts on why Godzilla would defeat kong since Godzilla has gotten more vicious with his attacks through the years mostly in 90's & 2000 & is more of a thinker.

[The Joker]

Yeah, I'm like you, as I'm more of a Godzilla guy as well. However, I think it's much easier to write a KK vs G film where audiences would root for Kong, rather than against him. As he's much more of a tragic, romanticized monster (the whole Beauty and the Beast thing going on), than Godzilla would be. I agree, that, under any usual circumstances, Kong wouldn't stand a chance. It's exactly why Toho increased Kong's size so much, along with having those electrical powers (which was weird, but you might already know the story behind that) as well. Now with the electrical powers idea, Godzilla never has really shown any sort of weakness to electricity prior to that, so it was mainly kept just out of pure convenience, and to give Kong the much needed boost in evening out the playing field.

If a remake ever did transpire, I really wouldn't think that the whole electrical aspect to be incorporated again, however Kong's size would HAVE to be dramatically increased, and I think Kong would be an incredibly agile monster. Along with being quick and strategic in his battle with Godzilla. At least strategic in the same light of how the two Mothra larva's took down Godzilla in 1964.