The Kaiju/Monsterverse Thread (Kong & Godzilla)

[BatmanFanatic93]

Joker my friend no offense but no matter how you put it godzilla was clearly the good guy in the 2014 film they mention it clear as day when they explained his story when he first appeared in 1954 along with how he is a guardian/protector & they also showed it when he avoided the battleships by going underneath them to prevent them from getting damaged with everyone inside,& when he was being shot at by the military & not once did he try to retaliate when being fired upon he's like hellboy he's a hero but people see him as a threat cause how he looks so i take as a misunderstood hero who is earth's only hope in fighting other giant monsters when needed.

[The Joker]

I guess I just don't see Godzilla from the 2014 film in that same Superhero light as you do, BF93, but that's cool.

With the battleships/bridge scene, I'll just skip over the 1954 explanation by Serizawa since it just came across as more of a theory to me than anything absolute, I simply took Godzilla rising up at the bridge to be a point where Godzilla probably couldn't swim anymore. Reaching a point where the river was too shallow for him to swim, and stood up; it also didn't appear that he could have gone under the bridge, at least without the equivalent of crawling on his belly. Yes, he swam around the ships at first, but why would anyone, or in this case, a large creature with possibly a primate intelligence, deliberately knock into vermin-infested driftwood if they can avoid it? Similarly, if it keeps following you, eventually you're going to have to touch it when getting out of the water. So I don't think Godzilla avoided the ships to avoid hurting the people on them, which was something the later Earth Defender Showa Godzilla might do, insomuch as it's what most swimmers would do - avoid smacking into a thick chunk of hurt swarming with ants.

Basically, while Godzilla doesn't deliberately target things for destruction, I never got the impression that he is walking on tiptoes to protect the poor little ant people either.

[BatmanFanatic93]

[The Joker]

Latest ad for Toho Cinemas has the Despicable Me Minions meeting, or should I say, fleeing from GODZILLA!

[BatmanFanatic93]

Wow it's been like what?A year since i was here?Well might as well say what i have to say.
Joker you were right...about everything!I went & sorta re-watched Godzilla 2014 while re editing it a year back (canceled don't ask why) & finally realized that godzilla being a god,protector,& the balance could be just a ruse in someways or like you said a theory mainly due to the fact the reason why godzilla was on a quest to kill the mutos is because.

1-They're natural born enemies much like how lions & hyenas are in the wild & these guys must been had a hatred for each since the dinosaur ages (i still believe IMO godzilla is a dinosaur) so it's logical that godzilla would go out of his way to kill the mutos mainly because it's due to the hate & territorial reason.

2-Food supply,Since both godzilla & the mutos feed off radiation godzilla probably knows for a fact that these things can breed & multiply fast causing a drastic lower of food supply which will then create hunger then destruction & the death of godzilla (remember in the beginning they found the corpse of another godzilla that was killed by the mutos & used it's body to incubate their young while also feeding off it's radiation.)

So really there's alot of reasons on why godzilla went to kill the mutos like the ones i listed & i know for a fact that there's more to it but just i'm giving my theories on to why in a animal observers point of view plus i remember the comic con trailer which used the monologue about the atomic bomb "Now i have become death...the destroyer of worlds" which could foreshadow godzilla's true nature later on in the sequels once he finds out that modern nuclear reactors around the world or probably tokyo (most likely) has more power than what the earth's core is giving him thus he'll probably go into a destruct manner which will change the world's perspective on him & becoming the sympathetic,destructive,anti-hero/villain dinosaur we all know & love.

[The Joker]

Hey, WELCOME BACK BRO!!!!

Seriously, I was wondering what happened with you. Good to see you back!

Those are some very good points on the Godzilla/Muto rivalry. Your theories really do sync up with the notion of Godzilla's portrayal in the 2014 film being much more animalistic, rather than a nuclear allegory which he essentially was in the 1954 classic, and I really like your theory on the "Destroyer of Worlds" association possibly being a foreboding facet that can possibly become a horrifying reality later on in the franchise. Especially in light of the much more human friendly Mothra evidently being brought onto the scene with the upcoming sequel. Where King Ghidorah will no doubt portray the villain, Mothra will, as she always has been, be the monster on the side of humans, where Godzilla may go Heisei on us and show signs, if not directly exhibit, a destructive interest in man-made nuclear reactors and such. Kinda like a certain scene in Return of Godzilla/Godzilla 1985 where he made a pretty grand entrance. 

Welcome back! 

[BatmanFanatic93]

Hey, WELCOME BACK BRO!!!!

Seriously, I was wondering what happened with you. Good to see you back!

Aw you were worried about lil old me? Haha don't worry i'm back & let's just leave it as is.

Those are some very good points on the Godzilla/Muto rivalry. Your theories really do sync up with the notion of Godzilla's portrayal in the 2014 film being much more animalistic, rather than a nuclear allegory which he essentially was in the 1954 classic, and I really like your theory on the "Destroyer of Worlds" association possibly being a foreboding facet that can possibly become a horrifying reality later on in the franchise. Especially in light of the much more human friendly Mothra evidently being brought onto the scene with the upcoming sequel. Where King Ghidorah will no doubt portray the villain, Mothra will, as she always has been, be the monster on the side of humans, where Godzilla may go Heisei on us and show signs, if not directly exhibit, a destructive interest in man-made nuclear reactors and such. Kinda like a certain scene in Return of Godzilla/Godzilla 1985 where he made a pretty grand entrance. 

Welcome back!

Well i'm glad to see we're on same the page about godzilla's true nature probably changing in the future sequels but with all that said i'm still wondering how they're gonna explain mothra & ghidorah existences in the mix with godzilla 2014 due to the fact gareth wants a more gritty & realistic kaijuverse.Now i can understand rodan because like godzilla he was probably around the time during the dinosaur age with godzilla's species & hopefully like the original rodan his kind must've laid their eggs in volcanic soil to incubate their young,So really i can see this happen for reals...if we had real 400 ft monsters then yeah XD but really though with rodan being acceptable i still don't know about mothra & ghidorah.

[The Joker]

Aw you were worried about lil old me? Haha don't worry i'm back & let's just leave it as is.

Of course. Originally, I thought you might be roommating with Edward Snowden, and then I kept watching those "America's Most Wanted" shows, but nada. 

Well i'm glad to see we're on same the page about godzilla's true nature probably changing in the future sequels but with all that said i'm still wondering how they're gonna explain mothra & ghidorah existences in the mix with godzilla 2014 due to the fact gareth wants a more gritty & realistic kaijuverse.Now i can understand rodan because like godzilla he was probably around the time during the dinosaur age with godzilla's species & hopefully like the original rodan his kind must've laid their eggs in volcanic soil to incubate their young,So really i can see this happen for reals...if we had real 400 ft monsters then yeah XD but really though with rodan being acceptable i still don't know about mothra & ghidorah.

I can understand where you're coming from with Rodan, and that makes sense. I think with Mothra and King Ghidorah, similar to the Nolan Batman movies, it'll be more on how they are dealt with and presented in a serious tone than the reality of it all. Ghidroah would pretty much guarantee a more sci fi slant on the franchise, but I really don't know how else to really achieve that character without taking that route. Especially if they want to remain true to the creatures original origins. I suppose it would depend on how far Edwards and crew want to take it. Especially in terms of Ghidorah being controlled by aliens, or another hibernating beast, or yet maybe the marauding space dragon similar to the Showa era.

I really hope they steer clear of the dorat origin. 

[BatmanFanatic93]

Of course. Originally, I thought you might be roommating with Edward Snowden, and then I kept watching those "America's Most Wanted" shows, but nada. 

...you don't even know what i look like so how would...y'know what?Nevermind.XD

I can understand where you're coming from with Rodan, and that makes sense. I think with Mothra and King Ghidorah, similar to the Nolan Batman movies, it'll be more on how they are dealt with and presented in a serious tone than the reality of it all. Ghidroah would pretty much guarantee a more sci fi slant on the franchise, but I really don't know how else to really achieve that character without taking that route. Especially if they want to remain true to the creatures original origins. I suppose it would depend on how far Edwards and crew want to take it. Especially in terms of Ghidorah being controlled by aliens, or another hibernating beast, or yet maybe the marauding space dragon similar to the Showa era.

Good points i just hope gareth knows what he's getting himself into with ghidorah cause if he messes up him in anyway he's gonna have ghidorah fans on his ass cause as we both know that ghidroah is one of godzilla's most recognizable & formidable foes in any of the godzilla eras & must he be treated with respect like the Big G himself same goes with any other toho monster.

.I really hope they steer clear of the dorat origin. 

WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!
B-but the dorats are so cute

I mean look at them.

[The Joker]

...you don't even know what i look like so how would...y'know what?Nevermind.XD

Descriptions. Descriptions. Descriptions. 

"He likes Batman. The number 93 ... and Godzilla. He also posts re-edited videos on Youtube, and posted on a Batman-online forum. Here's a crude sketch of the fugitive, but please feel free to call the number below if you know of anyone fitting this description. We need to get this guy off the streets. Pronto!" 

Good points i just hope gareth knows what he's getting himself into with ghidorah cause if he messes up him in anyway he's gonna have ghidorah fans on his ass cause as we both know that ghidroah is one of godzilla's most recognizable & formidable foes in any of the godzilla eras & must he be treated with respect like the Big G himself same goes with any other toho monster.

True. It's a long shot, but I would love to see Anguirus appear. If even just briefly, I would take it!!!

WHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!
B-but the dorats are so cute

I mean look at them.

I never would have thought to combine Ghidorah with Pokemon, but there you go. The Dorats.