Man of Steel

[johnnygobbs]

I would prefer Batman to be maybe 2 or 3 years older than Superman.

Definitely a world weary Batman to contrast the naive/optimistic Superman.

I don't want to see the conflict from The Dark Knight Returns between them...but I think if the filmmakers are smart they can bring in the dynamic (a clash of ideals) from DKR whilst still having them be allies.

But is this Superman 'naïve/optimistic'?  He seemed pretty world-weary to me.

I wouldn't mind seeing an impetuous, live-wire Batman in contrast to a cooler, more aloof, slightly more seasoned Superman.

I don't know whether there will be any references to TDK series, regardless of Bale's absence, in the same way Batman Forever and Batman & Robin felt like an unofficial continuation of Batman '89 and Batman Returns despite a few continuity differences but like colors states, it seems more likely that Batman, nor any other superheroes, if Batman counts as one, are yet established in MOS's world and Superman is therefore the first of his kind, which I am personally happy with.

[Paul (ral)]

I would prefer Batman to be maybe 2 or 3 years older than Superman.

Definitely a world weary Batman to contrast the naive/optimistic Superman.

I don't want to see the conflict from The Dark Knight Returns between them...but I think if the filmmakers are smart they can bring in the dynamic (a clash of ideals) from DKR whilst still having them be allies.

But is this Superman 'naïve/optimistic'?  He seemed pretty world-weary to me.

I wouldn't mind seeing an impetuous, live-wire Batman in contrast to a cooler, more aloof, slightly more seasoned Superman.

That's the kind of Batman I want to see. From a character-building point of view I would like to see Superman earn his place as the leader of JL. Batman to me has always been the drummer of the band - watching everything that goes on, doing the hard work and keeping a low profile (unless that drummer is Phil Collins or Keith Moon)

[The Joker]

Got mixed feelings on a Superman/Batman film being the follow-up to MOS, but I'll certainly give it go.

It's one of those movie idea's that's been in discussion for years, and even was being developed at one point during the early 2000's. So I guess it's nice to see it finally being brought to the forefront. And this unveiling did it in a big way.

[BatmAngelus]

Something like that theme would be okay, I think. Chances are he will use something like that, given he invested a lot of time into the Batman character. In this instance I wouldn't call doing so lazy. That segment could be front and centre as the main theme, while not betraying the Batman sound he already established. Whereas the Nolan stuff had all sorts of themes and not one.

I agree.  Zimmer and James Newton Howard may have believed that the theme was too "front and centre," as you say, for Nolan's approach, so they toned down the themes and Batman's music turned into the two-note theme that lasted through all three films.  (I also realized, in listening to the theme again, that it was actually used in the movies as the piano theme played when Bruce was mourning his parents after the funeral in Begins and when Bruce was mourning Rachel in The Dark Knight).

It's possible that Snyder's approach will require a more obvious theme than the one in the Nolan trilogy, in which case, I wouldn't blame Zimmer for doing some variation of his "unused" one.

This also ties into what johnnygobbs has been saying (and that I agree with), which is that there obviously needs to be contrast between Superman and Batman.  This applies to musically as well.  Zimmer's Superman theme already sounds hopeful and heroic.  Whatever he does for Batman- whether it's recycling cues from the Nolan trilogy or coming up with a new theme- will probably sound dark and driven.

[The Dark Knight]

I could see a confrontation between Batman and Superman about trust.

Superman x-ray visions Batman's cowl, saying I know who you are.
Batman says, well, that's a push. I know who you are too.
You're the guy who said you're from Kansas. The military are still looking into you.
"That wasn't too smart, Clark."
You will just have to trust them, just as you'll just have to trust me.

[Paul (ral)]

I could see a confrontation between Batman and Superman about trust.

Superman x-ray visions Batman's cowl, saying I know who you are.
Batman says, well, that's a push. I know who you are too.
You're the guy who said you're from Kansas. The military are still looking into you.
"That wasn't too smart, Clark."
You will just have to trust them, just as you'll just have to trust me.

Agree!

[thecolorsblend]

I could see a confrontation between Batman and Superman about trust.

Superman x-ray visions Batman's cowl, saying I know who you are.
Batman says, well, that's a push. I know who you are too.
You're the guy who said you're from Kansas. The military are still looking into you.
"That wasn't too smart, Clark."
You will just have to trust them, just as you'll just have to trust me.

Yep. And worldviews too. Superman is inherently more optimistic than Batman is. So work with that.

Incidentally, I realize that a fight is inevitable. This is Hollywood. What I want is a sort of Stan Lee-style hero vs. hero thing where Superman rolls with Batman but there's not a clear winner in the fight.

[Paul (ral)]

Personally I don't want to see a physical fight until they have been in a few movies together - more pay off IMO.

[BatmAngelus]

While I agree, the use of the TDKR line to announce the film, the confession that it will "inform" their story, and Goyer slipping that "Batman vs. Superman" was one of the many potential titles leads me to believe that we'll see these two in some kind of fight, likely in their first meeting.  When that happens, I agree with colors that I'd much prefer a Marvel-style fight (think Thor vs. Iron Man in The Avengers) than an adaptation of the TDKR fight where Batman continually beats on Superman.  Since this crossover film is taking place in the Man of Steel sequel, I have faith.

[johnnygobbs]

Personally I don't want to see a physical fight until they have been in a few movies together - more pay off IMO.

I like slow-burn stories as much as anyone but in this case surely Superman and Batman should grow over their initial mistrust and become allies, albeit occasionally uneasy ones which is why I'm all for having them 'fight' (in as much as a conflict between a super-powered being and a mere human being can be a proper fight) in this film.