Man of Steel

[zDBZ]

But to answer your point, Jonathan specifically told Clark to stand down. Whether anybody likes it or not, Jonathan chose to sacrifice himself rather than even risk the possibility of revealing Clark's secret. The people who quibble over Jonathan's death also quibble over his "willingness" to let others die. Whatever, but the thing that bothers me is that few or none of them bother to close the loop and recognize that Jonathan was walking it as he talked it. Love or hate the guy, he lived and died by his principles. Wouldn't it have been hypocritically self-serving for him to say "maybe" in one scene and then demand Clark rescue him just a while later?

This hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned it; while I still don't care for how Jonathan Kent was portrayed, this is a fair point.

And BatmAngelus - to give the film credit, I never thought of that little detail until HISHE pointed out. That video is great, though.

[The Dark Knight]

I agree with colors. At the end of the day, Clark being able to save Jonathan is a moot point. Jonathan did not want Clark to save him. He made a choice to accept death. In his heart it was all for Clark. As colors said, he walked the talk. He was a good man doing what he thought was best.

His philosophy isn't completely dead, though. Clark did decide to use a secret identity of sorts, while using his powers like Jor-El wanted. A balance.

I didn't have a problem with snapping Zod's neck. I laugh at people who compare it to flying around the world to reverse time and throwing cellophane S's. They're not in the same galaxy. Zod, unlike Jonathan, was not going to stand down and the Phantom Zone portal had been closed. Death was the only option for him.

[thecolorsblend]

A couple of pages are running with this story.

The Man of Steel Followup is Actually Superman/Batman
July 20th, 2013 at 10:36 am by Jeremy Conrad

Right as this is written, Warner's big Hall H panel at SDCC '13 is getting underway; and we already know one of their big reveals.

According to the LA Times, the followup Man of Steel is actually going to be a Superman/Batman team-up movie. They say Zack Snyder will return to direct, with David Goyer writing the movie. Nolan is also expected to be involved in some way.

This news comes after the revelation that a Man of Steel sequel was fast-tracked after the success of this summer's reboot. This Superman/Batman movie is the next outing for Supes on screen, but it's still possible we'll be seeing a solo Superman sequel sometime in the future.

URL- http://furiousfanboys.com/2013/07/the-man-of-steel-followup-is-actually-supermanbatman/

I've suggested doing this very thing on more than one occasion so as you can imagine, this is fine by me. If it turns out to be true.

Please be true! And please be called World's Finest!

[BatmAngelus]

Snyder just announced it at Comic Con.  The logo has the Man of Steel S, but the bat insignia is NOT the Nolan bat insignia and looks closer to the big bat on the Frank Miller Batman's chest in TDKR.

EDIT: you can see the logo here http://www.slashfilm.com/zack-snyder-will-direct-supermanbatman-movie-inspired-by-frank-millers-the-dark-knight-returns/

NEXT DC SUPER HERO MOVIE IN PRE-PRODUCTION
Director Zack Snyder Unites Superman and Batman in One Explosive New Film

BURBANK, CA, July 20, 2013 – On the heels of the worldwide success of "Man of Steel," director Zack Snyderis bringing together the two greatest Super Heroes of all time—Batman and Superman—for the first time on the big screen. The announcement was made today by Greg Silverman, President, Creative Development and Worldwide Production, and Sue Kroll, President, Worldwide Marketing and International Distribution,Warner Bros. Pictures.

The current hit, "Man of Steel," has taken in more than $630 million at the worldwide box office to date, and climbing. Along with its star, Henry Cavill, the upcomingfilm brings back Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne and Diane Lane. The new Batman has yet to be cast.

Snyder is co-writing the story with David S. Goyer, who will then pen the screenplay. Production is expected to begin in 2014, with an anticipated release date inSummer 2015.

Silverman stated, "Zack Snyder is an incredibly talented filmmaker, but beyond that, he's a fan first and he utterly gets this genre. We could not think of anyone better suited to the task of bringing these iconic Super Heroes to the screen in his own way." Kroll added, "We are thrilled to be back in business with Zack and his team on this next movie. The success of 'Man of Steel' is a wonderful testament to the love and support that both fans and new audiences, worldwide, have for these characters. We are very excited to see what Zack has in store for all of us."

Also important to note that, in the report above, Snyder clarified that they're not adapting the fight from Dark Knight Returns (which I think is a good thing since, as I noted in the TDKR thread in the comic forum, the fight has more impact when Batman and Superman have been friends and allies for years), but that the story will "help us tell the story."

[thecolorsblend]

Oy. My hope is that we don't see yet another "Batman beats the piss out of Superman" thing. Otherwise, there's nothing about this that isn't completely punk rock!!!

[BatmAngelus]

I worried about that at first, too, but what gives me hope that they'll avoid it is the fact that this is a Superman film guest-starring Batman, not vice versa.  After a whole movie of trying to sell Superman as a badass, I don't see Snyder and Goyer turning around and saying "Now let's see Batman kick his ass!"

While Snyder said that they're using the comic as inspiration, I'm personally hoping for the dynamic to be more along the lines of Byrne's Man of Steel team-up or S:TAS' World's Finest, which were both slightly inspired by TDKR by having them antagonistic (initially), but had them as mostly allies throughout.

[The Dark Knight]

Oy. My hope is that we don't see yet another "Batman beats the piss out of Superman" thing. Otherwise, there's nothing about this that isn't completely punk rock!!!

I don't think they should do that, either. I'd like to see this:

Luthor and Batman are suspicious of this superpowered being, but Superman earns Batman's trust while Luthor becomes his permanent enemy.

[thecolorsblend]

Oy. My hope is that we don't see yet another "Batman beats the piss out of Superman" thing. Otherwise, there's nothing about this that isn't completely punk rock!!!

I don't think they should do that, either. I'd like to see this:

Luthor and Batman are suspicious of this superpowered being, but Superman earns Batman's trust while Luthor becomes his permanent enemy.

If this were to be a halfway adaptation of Byrne's MOS #3 and the WF movie (with, yes, maybe just a few TDKR elements thrown in), that'd be fine.

Still, this brings up the question of how exactly Superman and Batman will relate to one another in the Cinematic DCU. I've never really bought into the "uneasy alliance" BS as I think I've gone into a few times. It makes sense in certain context (MOS #3 and TDKR) but otherwise it just feels forced. My hunch is that Snyder and Goyer will go with that, irrespective of how retarded it is and that's a real shame.

Anyway. Another point. This thing is apparently going to be MOS II. Not "World's Finest". MOS II... costarring Batman. From a lot of points of view, that puts a different spin on Batman (and Superman) in the movie. So hmm.

[The Dark Knight]

Superman deserves to have the story centric material, but I think there will have to be some decent amount of screen sharing between them, given they've blasted the bat logo behind the Superman shield.

In any case, I'm pleased about the news. Batman is coming back to the big screen sooner than I thought. And so is Superman. What's not to like?

[thecolorsblend]

Superman deserves to have the story centric material, but I think there will have to be some decent amount of screen sharing between them, given they've blasted the bat logo behind the Superman shield.

In any case, I'm pleased about the news. Batman is coming back to the big screen sooner than I thought. And so is Superman. What's not to like?

Quite a bit if you're some butt-hurt Singerman Apologist. I've seen a few of those turd-burglars trying to say this is WB trying to "resuscitate" Superman because MOS "flopped". Most of you are intelligent so I won't insult you by going through what a success MOS is. I'll just say that it doesn't matter how cool an announcement is, there's always some dipstick out there who'll find a way to take issue with it.